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WORKHORSEIRONS

Posted by vishuskinit from IP: 65.175.168.124 on 07/19/06
tilton nh

im in the market for a new liner, i already own a Pulse shader and this National frame with some Pulse coils and eikon springs. I think its a conventional armature bar... it doesnt matter but its my current liner id like to set up as my back up liner.

Anyone ever get any of the machine kits from WorkHorse? Or use either of the Ciferri Classic Liner or Soba Pilot liner? What are the opinions on either? Im looking for a good all around machine for the moment pretty much 5-9 group size. Im sure both are great but id like to hear some opinions before i really seal the deal.

thansksksksksssssssss



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RE:WORKHORSEIRONS

Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 07/19/06
Painted Angel Studios

MACHINES...NOT GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have used and owned all the machines you listed and they are ALL good tools but I gotta tell ya the HOTSPARK handmade machines by Rob Giusti are the BEST damn machines I have EVER used....just scroll down to the post about machines by Giusti
ANd they are only $150!!!!!! He will build them however YOU want them to be built....I don't get free or discounted machines form Rob and I am saying this just because its true....try them ...you will never want another machine!!!...TAz, Painted Angel Studios!!!


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.15.246 on 07/19/06
Ohio

I dunno Taz
I've used Next Gens, Aaron Cains, Mickey Sharpz, Pulse, Spaulding, and some other no name brand crap.
But nothing has compared to my Workhorses. I own 3 right now including 2 Soba Pilots, a liner and solid fill machine.
All the tattoos that i've e-mailed to you were done with those, my Workhorse Brian Patton shader, and my Pulse b&g machine.
I think they're great...
As long as you know how to make 'em work for you...


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Posted by dminus12@hotmail.com from IP: 24.254.167.227 on 07/20/06

workhorse irons is the best tattoo machines on the market as far as quality and price,i have about 8 of them.... i have to say that any seth machine.is the deal........they run on no volts so they dont get hot and you can work all day long with no problems.....i would strongly recommend the micro jones for lining and a wiener dog for a shader......................sick.


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Posted by Hotspark from IP: 206.183.139.162 on 07/20/06
Work

Mario,how bout you try one of mine?No obligation.Tell me what you want it to run for and I'll build one for ya to try.

Rob


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Posted by Hotspark from IP: 206.183.139.162 on 07/20/06
wont tell ya

Here's two more pennys for you guys.What makes any one machine better than another?Now I'm not a tattoo artist but I can tell you what I think. Correct frame geometry and material choice are as important as anything on the machine,setting it to run the way it works best for the individual is up to the artist(operator).

Something else,what's the big deal w/cast iron?.I've done a little research and it's not the ideal material in magnetic fields and has no more magnatism than mild steel.
Rob


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.225.136.22 on 07/20/06
Ohio

Hey Hotspark,
I'm a sucker for a good black and grey machine. They dont neccessarily need to be super punchy but they need to be consistent.
Do you have any pictures of the machines you have?


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/20/06
HADES

Mario just look at the post New Giusti Irons there is a pic of my 5 Hotsparks...I have two workhorse irons and they are great machines but when you compare price and the fact that Robs machines are built to YOUR specs...nothing beats em....besides he justb offered to build you one for you to try AT NO OBLIGATION MAN!!!...TAz


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.225.136.22 on 07/20/06
OH

WHOA
Dont worry Tazz-O, i'm not complaining at all!! I never look the gift horse in the mouth, man!!


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.225.136.22 on 07/20/06
Ohio

Alright man! I'm sold!
Hotspark, e-mail me with whatever info you need to get one goin for me buddy. Thanks a million!


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RE:WORKHORSEIRONS

Posted by kmesiano@yahoo.com from IP: 24.233.134.180 on 07/20/06

ummmm.....i dont want to seem like i got my hand out, but hows about a free trail for this guy.


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Posted by Hotspark from IP: 71.123.70.49 on 07/20/06
Home

K........... Mario is probably the last "drive it before you buy it" deal.Unless you're local and I don't think you are.What I will do is guarentee satisfaction.So far everyone who has taken them for a test run has loved them and PAID.Nothing personal but my luck is'nt usually this good and I don't want to push it.By the way I emailed you a pic of one a while back and did'nt here back.
Rob


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/20/06
HADES

Tell you what Rob...I will make you a deal....This is how much I like these fuckin ink Hoggs!!!....If you send Karma ( mesiano ) a machine to his order and he doesn't want it I will pay for it and hope he sends it to me....now THAT is dedication to a product!!!...TAz


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Posted by vishuskinits from IP: 216.246.148.209 on 07/20/06
tilton nh

"MACHINES...NOT GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

im confused did i call them guns?

where can i see these machines rob? do you have a web page, email me some pictures if you dont, me and the shop would love to check them out. The artist here is a total Next Gen freak apparently old friends with the guy. But im new at the game, and want to try everything out and make my own decision.

give me a little info on what your machines are made out of, list of everything you hand make, coils/springs etc. Im in the market for a new machine. But im really lookin at the Seth Cifferi Classic Liner kit, cuz i need to practice puttin machines together. I dont want to hand off my machines to a friend when my duty cycle is low.

so yeah give me an email man, im excited to see what you do.


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 68.119.249.30 on 07/20/06
no where MO

OK man to set things stright, hotspark is right.
it's all in the frame and coils.
thats what makes a great machine.
if you know how to tune and what springs, cap, and A-bar to use
you can make any decent frame into a great machine.
when i buy work horse irons i always buy the kit and build it my self.
but thats just me, and i love to do it.
when i was in my apprentaceship my mentor made me build alot of machines out of spare parts. if you can't put a machine together and tune it you don't need to be tattooing.
i love my pulse and workhorse machines.

i haven't tried hot sparks machines yet.
i was on his try it list and he over looked me . FOR SHAME.
but i plan to try one soon.
but for his price you can't go wrong.


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 68.119.249.30 on 07/20/06
no where MO

O-yea hot spark.
on the cast iron thing.
I personally hate brass and aluminum machines.
i really really really hate brass.
i love steele or cast machine feel.
they just feel more comfortable to me.
and i've noticed all brass or aluminum machines use a yoke.
steele and cast don't.
because they conduct better, or thats what i read in machine gun magazine.
but any way i preffer steele or cast iron frames.
Taz and everyone else what's your opions.


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/20/06
Painted Angel

Much prefer steel and iron


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.225.143.132 on 07/20/06
Ohio

I agree, steel or cast... or brass... I dont mind brass.
But Hotspark dude, i aint scornful! I'll buy one off ya, no prob.
E-mail me with whatever!!


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RE:WORKHORSEIRONS

Posted by kmesiano@yahoo.com from IP: 24.73.138.86 on 07/20/06

taz ...i like that deal ...you cant feel at ease with me ,im one honest bastard . hit me up ,i will represent on the honest tip!


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/20/06
Painted Angel

Talk to Hotspark its his deal man I'm just guaranteein the flow ol pal!!!


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Posted by Hotspark from IP: 206.183.139.162 on 07/21/06
Workin it

Junkie,think of the yoke on a non-ferros(sp)in other words non magnetic framed machine as a yoke on a horse shoe magnet,it's what makes it more effective.I have read that ideally the yoke should weigh as much as the uprights(coil cores) combined.


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Posted by Big Don from IP: 4.155.18.196 on 03/17/07
Washington D.C. U.S. of A.

I have one of Seth's Workhorse's (but I have it set up as a shader), I could not comment onSoba's pilot, but his mini Rusto Rocks. I myself use a Paolini Hi-Tech liner which I traded for one of my Next Gen. Orions (which I also love) - but since I bought and resprung the Paolini, my Mirodial has become a paperweight. The Paolini will push anything but I use it most for 7's and 9's. Wonderful powerliner and has never let me down. I also have one of Seth's iron Walker liners (which also rocks), but I don't think you can get them from Workhorse. If you cannot get one from Seth himself, I know Read Street Irons sells them. Hope this helps.

Big Don


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Posted by Termite from IP: 71.108.127.11 on 07/27/07
LA

You guys need to elaborate on why you prefer steel and iron machines over aluminum, I would think a lighter machine would give you more stamina, ive heard tattooers complin about how heavy thier machine is, I wouldnt know ive never done a tat myself im just tryn to see why irons are so in demand before I go and buy a junebug aluminum machine for my first gun. Ive even seen mister cartoon on the cover of juxtapoz with some tat gun I couldnt find, wish i knew who sold that one cause id feel safe buying it since he uses it.


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Posted by Fallen King Irons - http://fkirons.com from IP: 75.203.184.161 on 07/27/07
Miami

Hey Termitenator:
Artists choose their machines based on their experience with several of them.
Buying a machine just because "another artist" uses it is not the right way to pick an iron that's going to feel comfortable in your hands.
I personally use my own machines since i can build each part to suit my needs.
I do own a walker workhorse and I do like it however, I like my machines to look good and workhorse machines have really rough finishes and weak hardware. Some people may like that though. Again Personal preference.

Start trying your mentor's machine and build up an own judgement from there.

Regarding aluminum machines, I would say I like them for grey work with 1.25 grips because you can swing the machine fast since the weight is concentrated on the grip and not on the frame itself. Again, just personal preference. Unless you are a collector paying over $290 for a tattoo machine is dumping unnecessary cash.

Fallen King Irons - http://fkirons.com


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Posted by Fallen King Irons - http://fkirons.com from IP: 75.203.184.161 on 07/27/07
Miami

..oh and regarding calling tattoo machines "Guns", call it whatever you want, in europe that's how they call them. That argument makes no sense to me...again personal preferences LOL


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Posted by mikesalay@hotmail.com from IP: 70.171.30.248 on 07/28/07
Gainesville

Soba Pilot. I set mine up as a liner and I use it everyday. I believe there are 8 of the same machine in the shop I work at. Lucky Supply also has some good machines right now. Same with Kingpin


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Posted by Termite from IP: 71.108.127.11 on 07/28/07
LA

I’m glad you brought that up, its time to break some traditional ignorance for people out of date, definition of gun = any device for shooting something under pressure: a paint gun, staple gun, air gun, water gun, tattoo gun, police gun, hunting gun. Also you can use the word in ways to cause (an engine, vehicle, aircraft, etc.) to increase in speed very quickly by increasing the supply of fuel, gun for, give the gun, jump the gun blah. I’m sure everyone with common sense knows this when they naturally want to say gun but they know the person in front of them might be one of those guys that thinks he is doing a good deed by wasting peoples time saying “machine not gun”, its a lot simpler and saves not only your own time but time of the people you deal with, plus you tattoo guns on people all day fuckin hypocrite learn to be professional have some respect. One more thing, all you tattoo gun dealers that don’t sell to people without a license or who don’t work in a tattoo shop your not preventing diseases from spreading, I’m sure you know the majority of the idiots that have spread disease in this business cant afford a tattoo gun from people who charge a good price for the decent work they put into tattoo guns, they proly pay about 100$, and if they used the same needle twice like a complete moron who has no respect for anything its proly cause they are too cheap to even afford another needle lol, so you aren’t saving the world, they cant afford your guns, people really invest in quality guns cause they aim for quality work, your loss $$$. This is coming from someone who hasn’t laid his first tattoo yet, don’t worry Ive been an apprentice my first tat will be laid in a shop with all completely new parts when I’m ready. You’re no different to me.


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Posted by Fallen King Irons - http://fkirons.com from IP: 70.223.116.121 on 07/29/07
Miami

Termitenator:
I didn't get your posture in your reply...

Not all suppliers have that thinking... nor all artists think that way.
To give you an example Pulse Tattoo Supplies and Guy Achison. These people are up to helping future artists grow the right way. Although you have to understand that these days with these TV Ink reality show any dumb-fuk thinks that becoming a great tattoo artists is something simple, since they make it seem easy on tv. Unfortunately they never air the part where the artist is sterilizing and going over his/ her sanitizing measurements. (maybe because they think public wont care that much about that part and they prefer to show that horrible sad story behind the cat that got run over by a truck )

Now to tell you the truth out of 100% of people that buy from these suppliers only 5% will pursue the tattoo career in a safe and professional manner, the rest will rush to hack some tattoo on a friend and soon create a video of that hack and upload it on you tube.
That is what some companies like myself are against.
When you buy a gun (at least in FL) they run your criminal record. This minimize the risk of getting more guns on the streets. Although many verified professionals are no different than scratchers (either their work suck or their sanitizing measures are non existing ) this is another way of trying to stop deceases from being spread. Now...sometimes the medicine can be worse than the illness so I think this topic has different perspective and each supplier decides to enforce their own "perspective". All we can do as human is respect it...or not.
Good luck with your apprenticeship.

Fallen King Irons - http://fkirons.com


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Posted by Termite from IP: 71.108.127.11 on 08/07/07
LA

tattoo guns are a hell of alot easyer to get then a gun that shoots rounds, you may check peoples back round and criminal records but you can never help prevent anything from happining, kids in the streets are getting guns and shooting at people for pride and id think that a gun that shoots to kill is locked down where the law wants it and still it doesnt prevent a thing, tattoo gun supplyers are no different to me lol just type in "tattoo gun" in ebay and see if you dont have a list of tattoo guns for under 100$ people who are not responsible (which sounds like a scratcher to me) are proly not gettin paid shit anyway why would they spend alot of money on a decent gun? im not sure if you see my logic, try to find a real gun on ebay, so how are decent tattoo gun makers preventing diseases again?


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Posted by juan from IP: 71.111.140.109 on 05/03/08
usa

Hey Termite it's TATTOO MACHINE not "GUN" get it right, or get off here. You dont know what your talking about so.... shut up.


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