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Machine set up

Posted by mact09 on 09/22/05
Casper, WY. USA

I am an artist begining an exploration in tattooing, purchased a kit
and can't get the machines to work, no movement. tried adjusting
the gaps and everything that made sense but still nothing...can anyone give me any tips on setting up these machines, thanks



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RE:Machine set up

Posted by gabe@fyou.com on 09/22/05

Holy moses, put the machine down and get an apprenticeship. Search the archives for discussions about learning to tattoo. But definitely do not look to the internet for technical advice on setting up your machines. Learning the art of tattooing should be done very carefully, its easy to make mistakes that are very very difficult to fix. You should be practicing your artwork and getting tattooed by the best artists you can afford for years and then apprenticing before setting up a machine and working on people... That is, if you care respect the public and the art of tattooing you should do it the right way...


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Posted by PAINTEDANGEL on 09/22/05
saint joseph mo

look man I'm not tryin to be an a__hole but if you can't get your "kit" machines running you shouldn't own them let alone attempt to use them on someone who you could scar for life! I;d be willing to bet you don't even own an autoclave and probably don't know the first thing about creating and maintaining sterile fields do ya? Like the man said get an apprenticeship FIRST!!!!! Again I am not trying to discourage you...we don't need another scratcher out there dragging the sacred art of tattooing through the mud.So learn the right way.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by cpillpopper@yahoo.co.uk on 09/22/05

yeah give it up and carry on with your day job if you dont know how to set up you should not be doing tattoos cause you will do some damage


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by erlich on 09/22/05
colorado

to properly tune and set your machine you must first take this actoin step 1 look at what you have just bought and quite frankly wasted your money on step 2 think about the retrubrution you will have on the public by not knowing what the hell you are doing depth of needle angle skin type this is not no reality tv show you just cannot pick up a kit an say to the world hey i just droped 500 bucks on this here tattoo gear come and get ink you need to study research study research study some more .step 3 come to me with your kit i will trade you professional quality tattoo art work on you for what you have purchased just to keep it out of a SCRATCHERS hand not being rude and if you think this is just wait you will soon learn that this industry can and is a very sharp razor and can and will cut you deeply i STRONGLY URGE YOU TO GET A APPRENTICESHIP by the way dont reverse your polarity on those machines the tend to really screw matters up


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by kuleighpaulsmith on 09/22/05
Texas

Buying a "kit" was your first mistake.
Also,do you even know what it was you were adjusting when you were adjusting the "gaps"?
Man, you need an apprenticeship or you WILL fuck someone up.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by naptowntattoo@yahoo.com on 09/23/05

You bought junk....spend money to be tattooed by someone you respect,learn first by watching and asking questions...tattooing is not easy to do well..the experience of others will save you a lot of grief,seriously consider the advice posted.. this is no game, the people you will work on can wait until you have true experience with and around tattooing..no substitute for good teaching


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by tatt2guy36 on 09/28/05

i am so damn tired of all you "haters" out there who thinkl if they just keep their mouths shut no one will ever be better than them , well i love when new guys need advise or want to ask questions, i have been tattooing for quite a while , and i love helpin out the next guy and guess what i wasnt dumb enough like most guys out there to actually pay someone to teach me what i learned for FREE!!!!!!!so stop being tattoo haters cause that is what u are , and try to pass on what was passed 2 u ,


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by scroto baggins on 09/28/05
vermont, USA

***i am so damn tired of all you "haters" out there who thinkl if they just keep their mouths shut no one will ever be better than them , well i love when new guys need advise or want to ask questions, i have been tattooing for quite a while , and i love helpin out the next guy and guess what i wasnt dumb enough like most guys out there to actually pay someone to teach me what i learned for FREE!!!!!!!so stop being tattoo haters cause that is what u are , and try to pass on what was passed 2 u ,***

while trial and error may work in most situations, it doesnt really work here as well. its quite possible to really permanently damage somebody if you dont know what you are doing. it has NOTHING to do with not wanting to pass on information. if anything it has more to do with (a) preventing a possible hepatitis epidemic, or some other bloodborne funk, (b) maintaining our industry so that the health department doesnt come down extra hard on us for something that some scratcher did, and (c) helping somebody not waste time on trial and error when a REAL tattoo artist could show them how to do it properly, and make they work to get what they want. all the best tattoo artists had to work extremely hard to get where they are today, and breaking bad habits are much harder than starting out fresh with good ones. trust me. i started out with a kit and REALLY screwed up some key spots on my own body as well as some of my friends. seek an apprenticeship. if you work at it youll appreciate it more, and youll get more out of it.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by Jon_Tha_Babtist on 09/28/05
orlando, fl,

i started tattooing when i was thirteen with a home-made tattoo gun. wich looking back now was the most irresponcible thing i could have ever done, you need to understand that there are risks to this game, you draw for keeps, and while i have years of experience, i am upset that i myself could never get an apprentice ship, but lucky for me ive had hords of friends who were willing to be "stupid" and let a rookie mark them up. its hareder than it looks to be perfect,,now more than ever with the miami ink and inked generation,,people watch theese shows, and just assume they can go out and start carving people up..get and appreniceship,,,or a boat load of stupid friends,,,,,


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by Oz tattoo on 11/21/05
IOWA

I agree with tatt2guy- yes, he purchased a kit, which tells us that he is at the bottome of the totem pole. Those of you who are frowning upon him, don't forget where you came from- the same damn place. I am a self taught artist & while I agree that there are some complete morons out there who haven't got a lick of respect for the art, there are some folks out there who desperately want to learn & who are at least willing to ask questions. He may be the latter, and if so, it would benefit everyone if he was given some solid advice, instead of "go get an apprenticeship". He's obviously got his mind set on a different way of learning, for whatever reason, and is certainly not going to turn back now, no matter what you tell him- so you may as well be helpful.
Dude, go to eikondevice.com & learn about your machine & needles. Also, I would suggest taking a blood borne pathogens class- maybe at your local community college- not very expensive, and seriously, you'll NEED it. Be sure you are using only one time use needles & tubes & that you are disposing of your needles properly- in a sharps container. Do yourself & others a favor & tattoo on practice skin, or pig ears, then yourself, before tattooing others. I would reccomend "riding the tube" when you start out- this will avoid any chance of you going too deep into someone's skin- if you don't know what I mean by "ride the tube", then look it up. You'll need to be doing something with this art EVERYDAY- draw every day & learn something new about tattooing everyday. It's the only way you're going to make it without an apprenticeship- you'll only get out of it what you put in. Study other artists work. Trace EVERYTHING to help you practice pulling solid lines. Keep coming to these kinds of forums & you'll find folks who will help you- don't get discouraged...know your place and remain respectful of this art form and your fellow artists, even if some of them are assholes.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com on 11/21/05

Name another profession (which requires any amount of knowledge) where the people wanting to get involved are so stupid that they expect people to train them for free over the internet...or one where the people already in the profession are occasionally stupid enough to actually help these dickheads.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by erlich on 11/21/05
colorado

i privately talked to the person on this matter via e- mail he asked me to look at some of his work and drawings i will keep what was said between myself and him i was fair and honest and nonjudgemental over this i saw potential but a severe lack of skills in areas so with that being said i have to yet here from this person since.


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com on 11/21/05

Gee, now THERE is a surprise! Who would have ever guessed that a guy trying to learn to tune machines in an internet forum wasn't as talented as he claimed to be??


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by coyotechild on 11/23/05

if you REALLY have a love for the art, it would be better to seek out your local artist and try for an apprenticship, if you're already an artist that's a bonus....


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by psymephrior on 11/25/05

There's an apprentice-ship for a lot of trades out there, and a do-it-yourself how-to book on it too. I'm not a tattoo artist, but I see and have to fix people's trial and error screw-ups in my trade too. Truth is, appretice-ship is getting shat on for four years by some goddamn know-it-all. I went through it to get my licence, tried in vain to be a nice guy to a few aspirants, and I don't take on apprentices now. There's a few tricks, a few really good tips, but most of anything is common sense and experience. If I had to learn tattooing, I'd figure it out on my own, risk my own skin on it, instead of being a peon for some scumbag till he said I was good enough.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com on 11/26/05

You aren't supposed to be a "peon for some scumbag."
You are supposed to seek out a skilled and talented artist who has a great deal of knowledge to offer, and do whatever it takes to learn. If you disrespect the process that much, you would just end up as another of the millions of dumbfounded dipshits scratching people up.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by caribou on 11/28/05
Quebec

I don't think there is anything wrong with tinkering with machines and trying to get them to run, or seeking technical knowledge of any kind any way one can....one exception...

"seeking to gain knowledge or money by tattooing live people in unsafe conditions before one is ready."

...Otherwise known as "scratching"...there I did it I got tired of all of the stupid equivocating by professional tattoo artists about what a "scratcher" is and I've come up with the real definition. Live with it.

Doesn't have anything to do with whether or not one has had a 'formal apprenticeship' or works out of a shop, or uses a pressurecooker or an autoclave or whether the execution is artistically or technically 100% perfect.

Without engaging in scratching as defined above, I think there are many possible ways to aquire knowledge and engage in "trial and error" when it comes to tattooing (such as practicing on practice or pig skin, going to training seminars at conventions, etc.).

Yes, a formal shop apprenticeship is undoubtably the best most efficient way to get from A to B...Most all of the big names who did it other ways say as much and I bow to their wisdom and experience. HOWEVER, though it maybe the best way it is no longer the only way and the choice is no longer blac/white "apprenticeship" /"scratcher" like it or not. There is a third more respectful/difficult path.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by erlich on 11/29/05
colorado

you make a good point caribou true there are more and more people poping up that either think they are tattoo artist or artist. and wether we as pros help out or not they will seek out tattooing as a means of either financial gain or such but what i have a problem with is the people that just buy a kit and say here i am im ready to ink just because its soo cool.i do not mind helping out a fellow artist one bit. like i said i looked at the posters pics and was asked for a honest critique over his work and such,promising that he would not take it offenseively.i have yet to hear from said poster.i am by far within the range of some of the great artist out there but i bust my ass and still do to better myself and give the best art i possibily can and if i feel that it is not within my style or ability i will refer said client to another artist.lots to learn in this industry and it is continious learning.i am seeing a huge influx of people opening a shop and they have no clue as to what they are doing so all i can do is keep producing the best art i can for said client and keeping it SAFE.


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by caribou on 11/29/05
Quebec

erlich,

Just curious, do you have a shop/website? Always interested in checking out intelligent tattooers and their work. Part of my education/path...


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by Looking2Learn from IP: 24.17.251.23 on 03/24/06
Fort Lewis, WA

I have read most of the posts on this subject and find myself disapointed that so many people find it nessisary to bash this guy. I myself have decided to buy a tattoo "kit", one I put together after talking to a couple of artists at a local shop. At least they seamed happy to answer my questions. But as much as I would love to get on as an apprentice there I'm not sure if I would have the time, in the military, or the money, again in the military. But I have been looking for every bit of info that I can and will not touch a "customer" untill I get a lot more exp, I do however have some family and friends that are willing to let me ink them, to include my mother, big surprise there. So if there is anyone out there looking to give a few helpfull hint and tips it would be appreciated, because one way or another I will learn how to be a part of one of the greatest art forms I have ever seen.


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Posted by Krystof from IP: 71.192.231.137 on 03/24/06
Off the Map, Easthampton MA

my best advice to you is when you're out of the military, then seek out your apprenticeship. You can't just learn from people on a forum. it is wrong, wrong, wrong!!! I'll put it in a perspective that you can relate with. If you're out on the field in Iraq, would you feel comfortable if you were in a platoon that were a bunch of guys that did no basic training? They were plucked straight from the recruiters office and flown over into the desert? They didn't even know how to use their weapons, how to even aim them? And now your life is in their hands as it's expected of your fellow brother to protect you as you would them. They don't even know the difference between an enemy and an ally, and you'e 50 yards away from them and shooting. I know its a drastic step comparing military service to tattooing, but the comparrison is still valid. This is why training is important in everything. Like I said, when you're done in the service, get the apprenticeship, it will save yourself alot of headache down the road.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 03/24/06
looney bin

Valid analogy Krystof! I believe that the general public is still in the dark about body mods....They don't seem to get that these are
INVASIVE PROCEEDURES that require TRAINING....YA don't learn cross contam proceedures by osmosis! All we can do I think is to keep trying to educate! A kid was caught in a local high school here doing piercings in the hallways with ONE NEEDLE that he simply swabbed with alcohol between piercings..He is believed to have pierced between 50 -100 kids at $5 apiece!....he thought it was perfectly safe!!!! Education is the key....TAz


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 24.182.147.89 on 03/25/06
missouri

i'll tell you how to get that machine running right.
first are your coils shimmed to the proper hight.
second how much main spring pressure you got, break out that
spring tension guage and check it.
what size capacitor you running on it a 47 probally.
well those are the places to start.
after you get it running just get your duty cycle, fallow through, and speed adjusted and you'll be all set.

and if you can't understand what i'm telling you then you don't need to have a machine.


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Posted by tyler from IP: 80.42.133.230 on 03/28/06
england

hey just read this and must admit to many haters i have just started tattooing iv had many done and watched carfully i had no training or apprentiships but i done my first tat within 2 weeks of getting my kit i showed a pro of 20 years my work and he thought a pro had done it ive done 20 since and shown him every one and he wants me to travel america with him to go on tour and im self taught and been tattooing for 6 months and started buy noing jack s**t as for knowing how to setup ur machine u can find loads on internet and buy takein it apart and using commonsense goodluck to all u guys who are getting in to tattooing and for all those who just critizes and not help i really hope u dont treat customers like that


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 209.158.19.170 on 03/28/06

I just bought a Fisher Price chainsaw at the toy dept. in Wal-mart. I want to be a lumberjack, but the damn thing doesn't seem to want to cut down trees. How do I tune it?? I want to cut down really big trees with it!


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 03/31/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

I am getting so damn sick of cocky so called artists not willing to pass on information. And as for that bogus comparison to a fisher price chainsaw, tattoo mahines arent toys moron a fisher price chainsaw wouldnt really cut wood but I bet you the kit this guy bought has a machine that WILL puncture skin if tuned properly. You know as far as this apprenticeship thing goes not everybody lives in a state where local tattoo shops are willing to give an apprenticeship so sometimes youre left screwed with no where to turn. THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!!! let me ask you something, if someone(me) went to EVERY single tattoo shop within their state and got turned away from every single cocky, scared of competition, tryin to overcharge for an apprenticeship tattoo artist that they came in contact with, what's wrong with them coming to a forum like this and asking people who are supposed to be pros? See most of you were the lucky ones who got an apprenticeship but I bet my last quarter that if you didnt you would try any possible solution you could think of to figure out your problem. well guess what? the internet is a possible solution. And if you give up tattooing beacause you cant find an apprenticeship then you're not an artist at all. you could knock people on this forum if you want but you're on it too dummy. And contrary to popular belief not every good tattoo artist out there had an apprenticeship a lot of them were self taught. TRIAL AND ERROR. another thing stop saying that an apprenticeship is the RIGHT way. It's not so much the right way as it is the mainstream way. Every art form has a mainstream side and an underground independent side. There will never be peace between these two sides and the two will never see eye to eye. And for the record apprenticing is the easy way out not the internet. final note: if you dont spread the knowledge then you are contributing to the extinction of our culture. capisce?


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 03/31/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

I am getting so damn sick of cocky so called artists not willing to pass on information. And as for that bogus comparison to a fisher price chainsaw, tattoo mahines arent toys moron a fisher price chainsaw wouldnt really cut wood but I bet you the kit this guy bought has a machine that WILL puncture skin if tuned properly. You know as far as this apprenticeship thing goes not everybody lives in a state where local tattoo shops are willing to give an apprenticeship so sometimes youre left screwed with no where to turn. THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!!! let me ask you something, if someone(me) went to EVERY single tattoo shop within their state and got turned away from every single cocky, scared of competition, tryin to overcharge for an apprenticeship tattoo artist that they came in contact with, what's wrong with them coming to a forum like this and asking people who are supposed to be pros? See most of you were the lucky ones who got an apprenticeship but I bet my last quarter that if you didnt you would try any possible solution you could think of to figure out your problem. well guess what? the internet is a possible solution. And if you give up tattooing beacause you cant find an apprenticeship then you're not an artist at all. you could knock people on this forum if you want but you're on it too dummy. And contrary to popular belief not every good tattoo artist out there had an apprenticeship a lot of them were self taught. TRIAL AND ERROR. another thing stop saying that an apprenticeship is the RIGHT way. It's not so much the right way as it is the mainstream way. Every art form has a mainstream side and an underground independent side. There will never be peace between these two sides and the two will never see eye to eye. And for the record apprenticing is the easy way out not the internet. final note: if you dont spread the knowledge then you are contributing to the extinction of our culture. capisce?


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 03/31/06
looney bin

Hi Legacy...I'm TAz From Painted Angel Studios....I carefully read your post and I have to (grudgingly!) admit that you make a lot of sense and have some VERY valid points...lets try to keep the name calling to a minimum ok?...I have been tattooingFor over 3 decades and although I have never had the luxury of a formal apprenticeship, I have been lucky enough to have worked with some of the legends of our art and learned piecemeal as it were....Because I listen to people and because of your post in particular I am going to stop using the phrase"The Right Way"...I am starting to believe that that phrase is no longer valid .Who am I to withhold knowledge from anyone?

Please realize that there are some very good artists out there that do take on apprentices and not just for money or to have someone to abuse....the so called mentors who treat their apprentices in an abusive manner for no reason other than to bolster their own ego
have no place in this art.

I have never and will never turn any man or woman away for seeking any knowledge I may have....Who am I to judge ?...Any serious person who comes to me will recieve all I can give...Art no matter what its form should be shared with any who seriously appreciate it

Thank you for your post I think you make a lot of sense and I'd like to talk with you further however I think I may have offended the pwers that be and you may not see me on this forum much longer
But feel free to e-mail me...just click on my name above the post to do so!....................TAz


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Posted by Magnum from IP: 130.36.27.120 on 03/31/06

inkjunky said
i'll tell you how to get that machine running right.
first are your coils shimmed to the proper hight.
second how much main spring pressure you got, break out that
spring tension guage and check it.
what size capacitor you running on it a 47 probally.
well those are the places to start.
after you get it running just get your duty cycle, fallow through, and speed adjusted and you'll be all set.

and if you can't understand what i'm telling you then you don't need to have a machine.

OK I understand all you said here is my question what makes one set of coils better than the next? You check the resistance on each and hope they match close and the more solid the core as in not drilled too deep, the better. You shim the coils so that when the a-bar contacts the front that it almost contacts the back, and using the 47 cap its in al likelyhood its a shader. So please explane to me why a good machine is so much better. I like the way my machine run with ten wraps better than 8 as it stays cooler and I have played with springs both heaver, thicker and lighter, thinner. I have also done the thing with lighter and heaver a-bars but other than the way some machines look What makes a machine a good machine. I have also learned that a machine running around 100hz is good for coloring and 110hz for shading and 115 to120 for lines without a power supply the displays this how can it be guesstimated. Well lets hear it, and for all that might say ask my mentor, could it be you just don't know the whys, that would be my guess!!


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 64.178.103.44 on 03/31/06

What makes the coils better or worse is the knowledge of the person winding them...how well he was trained. If you get coils from some dolt who jumped on the bandwagon, they will suck. If you get them from a guy who was taught well and understands it thoroughly and knows his shit, they run great. Matching the resistance of the coils isn't all there is to it. Now if you meditate on that, it's the same analogy for learning from a legit mentor and coming to an internet forum to learn.


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 64.178.103.44 on 03/31/06

And yes...I know why they work. I know how they work. I can take raw steel and wire and build them, and make them run properly.


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Posted by Magnum from IP: 130.36.27.120 on 03/31/06

Just as I thought you don't have a f**kin idea!!!


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 64.178.103.44 on 03/31/06

You can say that all you want...toss the sour grapes shit around...but at the end of the day, I KNOW HOW TO BUILD A TATTOO MACHINE, AND MAKE IT RUN AT OPTIMUM PERFORMANCE and you don't.
I learned from very experienced builders...by traveling to them. Sometimes thousands of miles and sleeping in fleabag motels, and I wouldn't change it for the world. But I WILL NOT give that info to someone who's ambition ends at his fuckin' computer chair.


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Posted by 44magnum@bigfoot.com from IP: 130.36.27.120 on 03/31/06

Like I said you don't have a clue. You are like a guy that can put the turn the key in a car and make it go but as to how a carb works well you are lost. I get this guys coils and put them on this ones frame and it purrs. Don't know why but it does so they must be the only ones that are worth a d**n and all the rest are junk. What an jacka**!!


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 64.178.103.44 on 03/31/06

Haha! Convince yourself of that, Junior.
The coils on my machines were built by me...so you are right...they are the best! Thanks!
Now if you find enough ambition to get out of your chair and move around, you might find the answers someday, too!
Until then, just sit there pretending I don't know anything because I won't contribute to your sloth.


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Posted by 44magnum@bigfoot.com from IP: 130.36.27.120 on 03/31/06

Whatever punk. I have been building electromagnets since long before you were born! Punk!!


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Posted by iTat from IP: 12.2.23.11 on 03/31/06
Chino, CA

I picked up the new iTat kit from Apple. It makes tattooing as easy as podcasting! Each kit comes with "Tattooing for Dummies!" and an iSkin for practicing.

Why are all my friends so iPissed ay me though?


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 03/31/06
Midwest

Hey if you guys are so good at buildin coils ...can I buy some? I have been tattooing for 3 decades and and I don't make the damn things..I buy em from hotshot wonderful guys like you...I am too busy tattooin to make coils!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAz


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 64.178.103.44 on 03/31/06

I was born a long time ago, so I doubt you have been building anything that long. It seems the only thing you are good at fabricating is excuses as to why you can't get out of a computer chair to learn for real.
Taz, knowing these things comes in way handier than you might think. Most of these kids would be out of business without premade needles. Someone elses coils may not work to their maximum on a certain frame...so you either use it running poorly, throw it away, or make some of your own.


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 64.178.103.44 on 03/31/06

It's like all these fuckers running around spending millions of dollars on "the hottest new ink" THE MAGIC INK! The mystery magical recipe!!!
If they knew what they should know, they could make their own, and it would work better than any shit they could buy. But they aren't going to get that knowledge sitting in front of a monitor, no matter how hard they search. It takes something they'll never have.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 03/31/06
Midwest

Agreed as usual....and I'd Still like to have a set of yer coils man!!!


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 03/31/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

Taz thanks for the reply bro. sorry about the name calling, just get a little offended when people make it seem like "oh i did it this way and this is the ONLY way to do it and anyone who doesnt do it this way is a loser and shouldnt be doing it." So again my apologies and I extend those apologies to the guy I called a moron that wasnt a civil way to react if I was trying to get my point across because then it means that I typed in all that and the only thing that guy read was moron and thats it.....oh and I also apologize for the double post my hands got a little heavy during the heat of the moment..
legacy


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Posted by Rooger from IP: 24.245.24.160 on 04/01/06
Minneapolis, Mn.

I am still trying to find a respectable artist to teach a few things. I have Studied and purchased all equipment for approx. 6 years. All the artists I have talked to are more than willing to use my drawings, but will never do an apprentiship. They all seem to want to keep it a secret. The one guy that was willing to help is less knowlagable than me and ended up messing up quite a few people so I distanced myself from him and found it much better to just learn on my own. I would recommend spending the money to keep everything very sterile and clean...


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Posted by Mac from IP: 24.207.201.141 on 04/01/06
IL,US

keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com It's people like you in every career field that make life hard for the guys coming up. You're so self absorbed that you think that if you let someone in on the knowledge you have that you might lose some of the glory. Maybe you should remember that someone gave you that knowlegde and if you had gone as far as you claimed adn stayed in those fleabag motels(which is probably not the way it happened at all,in fact you probably got your info sitting in front of your computer screen) and were turned away from the knowledge that you claim to have you would be in the same boat as the people that you're trying to keep from that knowledge. In the end you're just the prick who probably hasn't got a clue and just doesn't want anyone to know it.


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Posted by Mac from IP: 24.207.201.141 on 04/01/06
IL,US

keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com It's people like you in every career field that make life hard for the guys coming up. You're so self absorbed that you think that if you let someone in on the knowledge you have that you might lose some of the glory. Maybe you should remember that someone gave you that knowlegde and if you had gone as far as you claimed adn stayed in those fleabag motels(which is probably not the way it happened at all,in fact you probably got your info sitting in front of your computer screen) and were turned away from the knowledge that you claim to have you would be in the same boat as the people that you're trying to keep from that knowledge. In the end you're just the prick who probably hasn't got a clue and just doesn't want anyone to know it.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/01/06
Looney Bin

Oh bullshit ...keepin it reel was tattooin long before there WERE computers..hell they were still usin sharpened twigs as needles!
THe man has a wealth of knowledge and if approached with respect he may feel comfortable enough to impart some of it.HE is one of the last bastions of the old school group and is simply tryin to keep the art pure!!!
Ain't tryin to speak for ya Keep...but I had to jump in...TAz


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Posted by liz from IP: 24.117.152.93 on 04/02/06
ms

I for one wish someone in my area was kind enough to show me the ropes..personally i really get the feeling as a female its harder to get into the buisness. At this point I dont care to go into a shop and be someones apprentice. I would rather pay an artist to come into my home or me come to his to learn.
Buy the way to the person who first asked the question there are alot of materials out there that will help you learn about the machine because really that is the first step, ive realized you have to know about the machine before you go sticking someone with a needle. I know some hate the book huck spaulding has out but it does give information about the machine it self. Its parts and how it all works. Maybe that will help.


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Posted by rooger from IP: 24.245.24.160 on 04/02/06
Minneapolis, Mn.

That is where I started, the book at least gives you the very basic undersatnding of how it works. After that move on to pigs ears, or practice skin. I would definetily recommend getting a book on skin and learn about the layers also, so you have an understanding of how deep to go with a tattoo and having the knowledge of what can happen if you do go too deep. As far as adjusting your machine, I would do some research into getting a good machine, not an e-bay one. I reluctantly admit that is where I got my first machines and they were junk...


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/02/06
looney bin

Here is a valuable piece of info...eikondevice.com.....
click on downloads...LEARN something!!!...TAz

LIZ...I'm back!


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 04/02/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

yes I agree Eikondevice very helpful. covers a lot


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 24.182.147.47 on 04/03/06
missouri

people

look, keepinitreal, taz, krystof, myself and other artist aren't trying to be dicks.
but, we just can't teach you to tattoo over the damn internet.
we just can't give scratchers that kind of info.
if you had an apprenticeship somewhere, and came into 1 of the shops we work at we'd probally give you all the pointers you want.
but somethings just have to stay in the industry.

keepingitreal and taz are oldskool, and overflowing with info, but you have to show respect to get respect.


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 71.162.33.218 on 04/03/06

That book tells you what parts go where. PERIOD. For christ's sake, you can tell that by LOOKING at the damn machine.
It does NOT tell you how they work together to make the machine run properly, or how to tune each component to work with the next. The components on his machines (or in any other kit) are designed for looks...with very little attention to using proper materials.
(example: they use stainless steel in a magnetic field. Why? FOR LOOKS. But does it do anything for the magnetic field? Yes...IT HINDERS IT.)
All that book is, is an advertisement for his junk. You will find no advanced technical information in there. Fact is, HE doesn't even know how a machine runs. All he is selling is cheap imitations of actual machines that he has no understanding of...the people who actually build them in his factory have no understanding of, and the people they sell them to have no understanding of. And they are selling them for more than you would pay for a good machine, if you had the understanding of what a good machine was.


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 04/03/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

You obviously know what you are talking about and I respect it. However in the long run Taz is right. All that matters is the longevity of the tatt and how the dam thing looks when its healed. Wish I lived around you Keep i'd come get tatted up by you in a heartbeat.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 04/03/06
midwest

Speakin of which I'd sirely like to see some of keeps work...where at Keep?


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 71.162.33.218 on 04/03/06

You are right...the end result is what matters to a great extent. But that great result is easier to obtain if you have great tools. By great tools, you could build one in your garage, if you know what you are doing, that will outrun anything on the market. And at some point, I would think any tattooist who truely loves the artform would want to go beyond doing tattoos, and become self sufficient. That's my take on it, anyway. As I said before....if you want to eliminate 90% of the tattooists in the world, stop selling premade needles. Simple as that. They'd be putting locks on their doors as sson as they ran out. It is amazing how few people are even that self reliant, today.
As for who I am....I am an old ghost. I am not here to advertise or draw business. I have lots to do as it is. I come here to share in making tattooing a better and safer industry. I mean no offense, but if you appreciate my efforts, do not look for me...look for people like me...and only patronize them. That would make me happier than filling my waiting room an extra day a week. Not that I wouldn't love to tattoo all of you and talk shop, face to face....it's just that I am, at this point, here for a bigger purpose. But hang in there...soon much will be revealed.


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 04/03/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

I agree self reliant, independent artists show more love for all of the elements invovled in tattooing not just pluging in a machine and letting "It" determine the outcome of the work. And of course it is possible to make a machine out of your home that works better than these mass produced ones. after all they aren't using some miraculous material sent to us from another planet, you could find it all in a scrap yard.


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 04/03/06
fairfield,Ct. USA

did I mention this is a long ass thread


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 04/03/06
midwest

OOOOH I LOOOVE a good mystery!!!!!...TAz


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 04/04/06
midwest

To KEEPINITREEL...to adress your last post...well sure I for one will accept your wishes to remain a mystery...I don't pretend to understand them but...OKAY...WHATEVER!!

However I do want YOU to understand that I am not here to gain business or to advertise either...my shop is successful but I am semi retired and seldom tattoo anymore due to health issues. Yes I mentioned the new shop we are opening in colorado but not as any kind of advertising ploy.....Hell I've already got clients buggin the fuck out of me to be first in line there and we are not even open yet!

I say all this just to make sure ya know I don't spend my time on this forum for any type of self aggrandisement...I do it only for a love of our art.....Thats all....................TAz


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Posted by johncianfarani@cox.net from IP: 70.188.191.228 on 04/04/06
Granby,CT.

Who IS this masked man (KEEPINITREEL) ???????????????lol


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 24.182.147.47 on 04/06/06
missouri

some say he's bertt grim some say he's mr. T
i've also herd it's BJ soba.
i think it's the long lost son of paul rogers.
but shit i just worked a 16 hour day and just finished a pint of jack, so what do i know ?????


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Posted by gabe from IP: 71.161.142.38 on 04/06/06

I doubt Soba frequents this place, he called me full of shit, told me I was worthless, and was blowing smoke up his ass a few years ago. But hey, everyone (with few exceptions) is welcome around here...


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Posted by keepinitreel4u2c@yahoo.com from IP: 71.162.33.211 on 04/06/06

No, I ain't BJ. But the Mr.T guess was close....suckas! Don't do drugs!


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Posted by Krystof from IP: 71.192.231.137 on 04/06/06
Off the Map, Easthampton MA

It's obviously Mean Joe Greene. duh!


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

I don't really give a good shit WHO he is...I ain't plannin on sendin him a christmas card...as long as he keeps postin and I can learn a thing or three from him I say let him keep his mask on!!!...TAz


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Posted by johncianfarani@cox.net from IP: 70.188.191.228 on 04/06/06
Granby,CT

I was thinking Danny fowler till that post on duty cycle. Now Im lost again.lol


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

Yup me too!


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Posted by swollen philip from IP: 68.145.19.245 on 04/06/06

LOL this is funny.. great to see everyone coming together to help this guy. really i could give a shit what he is doing over there. infact id help him if i could just so he could get down to buisness and make some $$$ you know. hells yeah sun tattoo the fuck out of everyone you know. thats the only way to get into it. and dude talkin shit bout his art. you suck . i bet your no better.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

HUH/ what da fuck arte vya talkin about swollen??..TAz


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

I guess you are advocating a person with absolutely no training using poor quality equipment and just tearin people up? is that what you are saying?....OK sure and maybe YOU can be his first vitcim!!!
Just remember..We do cover ups!!!...TAz


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

I just want my PALEO JOHN machines...Get on that John!!!! LOL! T.


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Posted by johncianfarani@cox.net from IP: 70.188.191.228 on 04/06/06
Granby,CT

actually tomorrows my first day out to the shop Taz...so......SOON!


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

My GOD!! they are pieces of art...not machines...I cannot wait!!!!


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Posted by johncianfarani@cox.net from IP: 70.188.191.228 on 04/06/06
Granby,CT

Thanks! Thats some endorsement! lol


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/06/06
looneyville

GOOD! should qualify me for a discount then huh? LOL!!


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 24.182.147.47 on 04/06/06
missouri

john you make machines ??
well e-mail me some pics and info,
long , mid or short stroke ect.


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 24.182.147.47 on 04/06/06
missouri

o-yea and price.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 04/06/06
midwest

Hey ink junkie...yer e mail keeps comin back as undeliverable!!

WHATDAFUK???,,,....,.,.,.,TAz


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Posted by johncianfarani@cox.net from IP: 70.188.191.228 on 04/07/06
Granby,CT

should have some soon. Nothing to show you yet


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 04/07/06
midwest

John..SHADDUP ..get off the computer and work on my machines!!


DAMMITTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 24.182.147.47 on 04/07/06
missouri

O-yea my new e-mail is tat2d2dope@hotmail.com
i don't know how to change it on here but i have problems with charter.
john you have to e-mail me there but i might be intrested in a machine


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 04/07/06
midwest

Oh trust me junkie...if ya saw one you would want one!!...TAz

ps check your e-mail for tazblaster recipe


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Posted by sarah from IP: 82.38.90.159 on 04/13/06
doncaster, south yorkshire, uk

i'm also a staring up tattooest i've got a kit it work sorter!, it work fins just not with a neddle in, i'm gettin that sorted by my 2 friends who have been tattooing for a few years. i'm still trying to find 2sum to take me on, i have had alittle bit of pratice but that was months ago. no tattoo shops want 2 take me on cos i have 2 pay, or cos i'm a student still in collage, and will b at collage for another year till i leave for work. i dont have a job at the moment and i'm busy with 3 rock bands on the go. what can i do. or should i just keep looking and hopeing sum1 will take me on?


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/13/06
midwest

Go to...the first forum page click on "read before posting...click on apprentice 101 and the other links read these then go back to the forum list and read all the other posts on people wanting to apprentice ...All these should answer all your questions..

You are in college? I am not trying to be mean but you need to take some english classes


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Posted by xstarvingtattoosx@yahoo.com from IP: 12.207.62.249 on 04/13/06
mn

i have only been tattooing for around a year or so and i rarely call myself a tattoo artist...im busting my ass off trying to reach the point when i can call myself a tattoo arists. but anyways...it bothers me to see people saying that they wont give info to "scratchers" because they dont want to give them more info to tear more people up. but that doesnt make any sense at all. if those scratchers would gain more knowledge from the greats that are on this site they would start to learn what not to do when tattooing. they would learn what angles to use, how to insure everything is steril, how deep to go,what they really need to start. be honest with yourselves and relaize just because you tell them to get into this art the "right" way that they will just ditch the idea of getting started how they want to or are able to.

If their told to get the correct gear (all of it) then that is one less scratcher that will be spreading diseases and scareing people. at least their have that infomation and hopfully get hesitant to start without all the info.

i went through my apprenticeship and did all the work so i know and respect that and would not recomend people learning on their own..but its been happening and will always happen. now at least we have a great site like this to inform those that will do what they want and give them at least the basics of what to do,what not to do and what will happen if they are not steril.

and for the info on machines i believe MachineGun are great magazines to read through and study with. very indepth and filled with usefull information.


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Posted by xstarvingtattoosx@yahoo.com from IP: 12.207.62.249 on 04/13/06
mn

i have only been tattooing for around a year or so and i rarely call myself a tattoo artist...im busting my ass off trying to reach the point when i can call myself a tattoo arists. but anyways...it bothers me to see people saying that they wont give info to "scratchers" because they dont want to give them more info to tear more people up. but that doesnt make any sense at all. if those scratchers would gain more knowledge from the greats that are on this site they would start to learn what not to do when tattooing. they would learn what angles to use, how to insure everything is steril, how deep to go,what they really need to start. be honest with yourselves and relaize just because you tell them to get into this art the "right" way that they will just ditch the idea of getting started how they want to or are able to.

If their told to get the correct gear (all of it) then that is one less scratcher that will be spreading diseases and scareing people. at least their have that infomation and hopfully get hesitant to start without all the info.

i went through my apprenticeship and did all the work so i know and respect that and would not recomend people learning on their own..but its been happening and will always happen. now at least we have a great site like this to inform those that will do what they want and give them at least the basics of what to do,what not to do and what will happen if they are not steril.

and for the info on machines i believe MachineGun are great magazines to read through and study with. very indepth and filled with usefull information.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/13/06
midwest

This forum is not now, never has been nor will it ever be an iternet " lets learn how to tattoo" site...

If people want to learn on their own and screw up themselves and their friends and family...well there is nothing we can do about it

Tattooing is a many faceted art with soo many things you just cannot teach or learn on the net...its impossible...Hell ya can't even learn cosmetology on the net and this is so much more dangerous

So..live and learn...ya wanna be a real Tattoo artist? then read all the back posts...TAz


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Posted by xstarvingtattoosx@yahoo.com from IP: 12.207.62.249 on 04/13/06
mn

oh im not saying that you should learn on the internet about tattooing. all that i am saying is...just throwing the people that have already made the choice to make the chance of fucking people up to the side when they are trying to search for answers inst going to help anyone. im not saying give every answer...and i like what i have seen from you TAz asking them to email you and such.

i just dont see a true reason to not take the 5-10 mins to type a answer or even just say...this is not the site...but get ahold of me via email or phone or whatever should be a big deal. if i had the wisdom you guys did..i would be making sure the ones that think they can just buy a kit and start in on it would get the answers they seek. yes...it encourages them to keep tattooing and to keep getting their chances of fucking some one up even more....but...with no answers what so ever...they are for sure going to fuck some one up health and just poor tattoo wise.

but again...i did what i was supposed to....and no..not everyone is treated like shit when they are a apprentice but i was as well...at least now im in a shop that helps me when im needed and giving me advise and doesnt just push me away even though i am still a beginner. i would help others..but i do not have the knowledge other then what i have learned and am learning like you and the other greats here. so until i do..i will keep my advise to none other then...to make sure others are not damaged by people that think buying a kit makes them a tattoo artist and WILL tattoo people even though people hear tell them to put the machine down and get a apprenticeship, a short answer or a "drop me a line" would be the wisest thing to do.

and also people WILL tattoo with or with out a apprenticeship. so to simply say get a apprenticeship and dont do anything till then to be honest..wont mean anything to some one that already has the gear and is seeking knowledge...or some one that simply can not get a apprenticeship. but meh...im no one to really say much as i am still young and some one that is just trying to get his shit looking better and better everyday.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.197.135 on 04/13/06
midwest

As professional artists this is a two edged sword for us....Do we give just enough info to fuck somebody up...which is really all that is possible on the net.....or do we just keep our knowledge to ourselves? ....

I don't know...personally I try to help anyone I can and try not to cut anyone down who is serious about our art but we see so many people who just want to dabble and end up tattoing at parties in totally unsanitary conditions...people who just do not have the knowledge it takes to do safe clean decent tattoos...and most of those people just do not give a good shit if they ever learn to tattoo the right way And then there are the people who demand that we tell them how to tattoo with their hundred dollar e-bay kits that never come with an autoclave...


It is a very deep dilemna one that is not easy to solve!...TAz


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Posted by xstarvingtattoosx@yahoo.com from IP: 12.207.62.249 on 04/13/06
mn

very well said Taz..as always! i have to agree with you that it is very tricky on what can be said effectivly about sanitary and just the tech. of tattooing. i honestly just see it coming down to. the ones that ask have some sense in them and should be answerd. theres nothing anyone can do to stop the dicks that dont give a shit about anyone and tear into people at parties or just at home.

and i do understand being hesitant about giving any info..like you said if you give the bare min. of info..that will only help just a little bit and there is still that chance of screwing everything up. but any knowledge is better then none. we have to admit to ourselves...the world is full of self-invovled dicks that think their top shit because they have a kit and can slice some skin open. and that we cant do anything about that. but...what we can do...is answer at least "dont tattoo anyone until you get a auto-clave. serane wrap everything..wear gloves...trash everything that can not be thrown in the auto-clave after your done with that tattoo...do not touch anything when you are wearing gloves that have been near the fresh tattoo" meh...but again...thats just my humble, young beginner suggestion.

maybe a branch or a link from this site to another that will go more into the tech. side and the steril side?


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Posted by xstarvingtattoosx@yahoo.com from IP: 12.207.62.249 on 04/13/06
mn

very well said Taz..as always! i have to agree with you that it is very tricky on what can be said effectivly about sanitary and just the tech. of tattooing. i honestly just see it coming down to. the ones that ask have some sense in them and should be answerd. theres nothing anyone can do to stop the dicks that dont give a shit about anyone and tear into people at parties or just at home.

and i do understand being hesitant about giving any info..like you said if you give the bare min. of info..that will only help just a little bit and there is still that chance of screwing everything up. but any knowledge is better then none. we have to admit to ourselves...the world is full of self-invovled dicks that think their top shit because they have a kit and can slice some skin open. and that we cant do anything about that. but...what we can do...is answer at least "dont tattoo anyone until you get a auto-clave. serane wrap everything..wear gloves...trash everything that can not be thrown in the auto-clave after your done with that tattoo...do not touch anything when you are wearing gloves that have been near the fresh tattoo" meh...but again...thats just my humble, young beginner suggestion.

maybe a branch or a link from this site to another that will go more into the tech. side and the steril side?


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Posted by mindy look from IP: 71.118.90.115 on 05/01/06
venice beach california

why r most tattoo artist so damd full of them selfs.i hope someday they can say hell i usta be a wanna be myself!!!!someone pityed you enough to let you be in there shop.i would love for them to go where the real tattooing goes down,in the tribal villages and talk shit there about how tattooing is done,those tribal men would woop there asses!!!!i just think most preety boys that work in shops with there big egos have less balls than myself.im 4 foot 9inches tall i have over 30 tats most of them i did with a homemade tat gun,before i bought a machine.im a girl and im a bad ass bitch.
i have went to shop after shop,with a classy portfolio,and im ignored!!there just jelous of my real talent.i can draw freehand and upside down.most of my tats have got comps and pepole trip when i say i did them myself.
i say screw getting into a shop to learn to tat,most shops are not that clean and most of the artist have drug probs anywho.
just realize if you cant draw then dont even try.pepole who trace are losers and they need to sick wit there day jobs.and hey guys dont be such pricks,not everyone works on there own machine,
i know alot of guys who have never even changed there oil on there cars themselfs.let alone do what i do.i have never had any training in tattooing,yet i work on my own machine and i make my own needles I DONT BUY THEM PREMADE!!!!!!i plan on writin a book and im gonna give away all the secrets so boo f@%*%in who!!!let them have there ink and use it 2!!!!!oh ya i allso blowglass and i do over 150 other art mediums how many of you tattoo shop trained artist can say that ?i am creation here me speak.dont dog the beginer you were all there just like him!!!we all have to start somewhere!and ill be standin outsida your shops handin out my biz cards doin the same work for half or less than that!!! shops are over priced and simply stuck up!!!oh ya i got a myspace kids its....http://www.myspace.com/midnightstudio for anyone in los angeles who needs tips or instruction on proper use of your machine
have a great day!and remember we all die the same way,just like we were born,everyone is equal but not allways honest,real or down to earth.its kinda stupid the way shops work anyways ,you still get $ taken by the big boss as a %...i tat rock stars and keep all the $!!!!


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 05/01/06
mental institution

Hi mindy!!


First off I want to thank you for your post!..We are all sittin around the studio and just laughin so hard I damn near PUKED!! Please keep posting so we don't have to tell jokes about ignorant people anymore...just one post from you will keep us laughin all day!

Allow me to adress your issues,those I can understand anyway..
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1.I have never hired someone because I pitied them...I hire people because they seem dedicated to the art. I do require them to read and write English so that lets you out right off the bat.

2.Yes as in any field, we can be "full of ourselves" at times...do ya think that maybe thats because we have spent years and countless hours perfecting our art and we might deserve some small amount of self back patting?

3.You speak of tribal tattooing in other cultures...do ya realize that in nearly all of those cultures the tattoo artist, shaman if you will, is revered and treated as a holy man and their "apprenticeship starts in infancy, and that they are treated as holy men and women?

4.Most shops are dirty?...Where do you live? In todays age of enlightenment most shops are very clean and a good percentage would put the cleanliness of a doctors office to shame...I think you need to look around a bit more...or were you referring to the nasty kitchen where you probably tattoo with your "GUN"?

5.went to your "myspace" site and , although we found it hilarious ( thats means FUNNY! I am trying to keep the words simple for you) there were no pictures of your work.WHY NOT? Aren't you proud of all those bad ass tattoos you say you put on rock stars? In reality your tattoos probably suck as bad as your English if thats possible! Which brings us to...

6.You are gonna write a BOOK?...OH MY GOD!...And just what would the subject be honey?....."Sleeping Under the Bridge?" Or maybe "101 Easy Steps to Incubating the AIDS Virus?" Or how about "My tattoos and the Poor Bastards I Inflict Them On?"
For Gods sake you aren't capable of even writing a legible post in good English let alone write a book!

7.Sweetie, If you or anybody else stood in fornt of MY studio and tried to pass out business cards You would leave... Quickly....With pieces missing... like... oh I don't know...YOUR THUMBS!!!!

8. Girl if you took a portfolio to shops and were ignored (It was more like laughed at I'm sure!) I am positive that if you even had pics of your work most shops don't hire artists who haven't mastered Crayons yet.Jealous?...I don't think so...have you been having these hallucinations for a long time? Did the voices tell you to write this post and pretend you are a tattoo artist?

9. So where can we see all the pics of your "rock star" tattoos?I would bet anything we will never see ANY pics of your so called tattoos...Prove me wrong!!!!...You show me a pic of one JUST ONE good tattoo that YOU did and I will send you a check for enough money to buy a whole case of Maddog 20/20 and a bag of crack!
You can even e-mail em to me...just click on my name right above the post here.

Well I'm sure its time for you to get back to the refrigerator box and crack out for the night so...we will be lookin for those pics, but we won't be holdin our breath!...

OK I have had way too much fun with this one and I hope everyone realizes that it was all in fun...If ya didn't...Welllll Fuck ya!!...TAz


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Posted by J-Werk from IP: 63.145.71.10 on 05/02/06
Dr. Teeth's House of Needles

Mindy.... Did you ever stop to think...well no, but.... the reason that you were turned down by so many artists is perhaps not because of your art on paper but the art on your body? If you are serious about the art of tattooing then you need to be serious about the art of collecting GOOD tattoos as well. No respected artist wants someone working under them/ along side them who's kitchen art is displayed out in the open like that. I could be way off base but this is strickley my opinion only. Other than that will you add me to your friend's list on your myspace page so I can have my picture next to the guy huff'n on the bong? I want to be a winner too.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 05/02/06
mental institution

My god man did ya see some of her friends?...Jeeesh!!!
I just wanna know if she is sooo good where are the pics?...I am half thinkin this is a baiter post...TAz


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.15.172 on 05/02/06
OH

Oh Hell...
Is that for real...??
Thats troubling...

Wheres Ashton!? Are we being Punk'd?! Thats funny as hell!!


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 05/02/06
underground

see....at least when I posted a response to this I thought it out first....I hope I didnt sound that ignorant....and she's gonna write a book???? on what?? learning how to tattoo????? didnt someone already try that??? and wasnt the title something like Tattooing A-Z..............hmmmm we all see how helpful that was....


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.15.92 on 05/03/06
Oh Hell

I'm sure glad SHE's gonna write a book instead of one of us. Damn, i mean can you imagine what would happen if one of us who knows how to tattooo properly and has a grasp of the english language would write a book?? That could be a potential disaster!
Not to mention the fact that not many of us know the risks of cross contamination and blood borne pathogens.
Thank god theres someone out there with their head on straight who will get it all sorted out for us...


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Posted by tylerdurden from IP: 86.142.195.218 on 05/10/06
uk

Well, you have proved yourself to be a bunch of arseholes, again, every time you manage it, tell you what, lets discourage as many people as we can shall we, lets push the wannabe tattooists underground so they dont learn the right way, so they do damage. you ever tried getting an apprentice?? no because you are way too lazy and greedy, gotta make your bills.


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 05/10/06
Chicken Slingers R' Us

OH BULLSHIT!!!

If someone has no sense of humor as is so thin skinned as to take offense at a little kiddin around then they shouldn't post on a public forum...TAz


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Posted by J-Werk from IP: 168.166.22.14 on 05/10/06
Under the Mountain

And what you also have to realize about this "Mindy" person is she is ficticous! They used an e-mail address linked to some crazy site which I am not even going to waste my time trying to remember.... It's a long story, but the whole thing was a joke to begin with.....J


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 05/10/06
mental institution

Well actually Jwerk...Mindy is quite real...she just used the email account of some strange show that exploits people who are shall we say lees than mentally proficient....

But dear mindy does exist and does tattoo people!...She even sent a picture of one of her tattoos remember?...Oh Lord!!!


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Posted by J-Werk from IP: 168.166.22.14 on 05/10/06
Under the Mountain

Did you show that one to me? All I remember were the vicious phone calls from the crazy woman from the website....refresh my memory....having a moment....


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 05/10/06
Chicken Slingers R' Us

Yeah,... remember I kept getting phone calls from that person from the sex talk show tellin me to stop emailing mindy at THEIR e- mail addy even though I was simply replying to HER e- mails...and then they sent one and tried to act like they were Yahoo AND the FCC!!!!

These people are total wack jobs ,,,JEEEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by J-Werk from IP: 168.166.22.18 on 05/10/06
Under the Mountain

Ohhhh, those nutsacks! I remember!


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.225.138.10 on 05/10/06
OH

Either way, this dude would be a fucking moron if he tried to defend her of all people. First off, this girl isnt looking for someone to teach her anything. Shes bragging in some horribly broken slanguage about her sweet tattooing skillz and how shes out tattooing rockstars with her 'gun' (shudder) that she tunes all by herself.
Nobody's trying to hold back knowledge or just pay their bills, ya damn clown.
And that bullshit line about trying to get an apprentice isnt going to fly either. Half the tattooists i know arent out looking for apprentices not because they're too 'lazy', as you call us, but because most of the kids who are out looking for apprenticeships have the IQ of a bag of hammers. We get kids comin' through the door like that all the time, God bless their poor uneducated souls. Great artists, most of 'em, but they just aint cut out for this lifestyle.
Granted, if we find someone up to the task, they'll be put through the ringers of an apprenticeship like everyone else and we'll see what happens in the end.
So trust me, the only people who we're trying to close the door on are people like this 'tyler' jackass who puts all us artists in the same bag with some bullshit about how we're trying to keep people away. Get behind the machines, new guy. See what things are like from from our perspective before you wanna start calling tattoo artists names. But for now keep your peanut gallery ass quiet and leave the shop talk to people who are in the industry


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 05/10/06
mental institution

I guess ol Tyler ( great name...Fight Club Fan are we?) Probably didn't know that this girl was e-mailing my private e-mail and in one breath sayin I was a no account loser who was tryin to keep her out of the busines and in the next breath beggin me to apprentice her and in the next braggin about all the "rock stars she tattoos....maybe he would have a different perspective if this person was e- mailing him 5 or 6 times a day!

As for apprentices..I have never really turned anyone I thought was serious away...period...and I never charge money for an apprenticeship after they prove that they are dedicated to the art...so there goes THAT theory out the window huh Tyler....I am proud of each and every person I have mentored in this art even the ones who stabbed me in the back...I love em all and I ain't just bullshittin...so man you should really know the situation before ya lump us all in the same crap bag...It sounds like you have had some bad experiences in the biz ...am I right?...well that had nothing to do with me man...I just love the art ...thats all...and if I can give a guy (or girl) a leg up on this site I try my best to do that...now if that person is demanding I tell em how to tattoo on the net or demeans and insults me and the other artists on this forum then I feel justified in slammin them

Hope this kinda explained where at least I was comin from on this post...ya just didn'thave the info to make the statements you made...but thats ok...I ain't mad at ya and I appreciate your post and hope we hear from you again!...TAz,Painted Angel Studios


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Posted by zim from IP: 172.144.202.138 on 05/15/06
ohio

Mindy is the real deal folks.She makes her own needles and can draw upside down.I hope she don't give all the secrets away!
Making your own needles out of your house-Now thats clean.Just make sure you soak them in bleach to sterilize them.Why would she post something like that-thats funny.
----I bet shes a Miami Ink fan.Plus,she does blow glass!


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Posted by TAz from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 05/15/06
insane asylum

Takes all kinds man....I kinda feel sorry for her......NAH!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted by james from IP: 24.33.75.144 on 06/11/06
Cincinnati, OH

Let me first reply to the original post....Abosolutey right, get in underneath someone responsible in a shop with a good reputation. Dont just start working on people. 10 years ago you might not have had a choice but nowadays there are too many shops and people doing it right to go that route. Thank God once upon a time others did, we wouldnt have an industry if they hadnt but its not the route to go now. Work through the assholes who want to discourage you and find that right place...its out there. Good Luck. Remember.... 1. It does matter who you learn from. 2. It matters where you work, even from the beginning.

As for Mindy and TaZ.....

Mindy.....Im sorry hun for all the rude remarks but maybe you should consider we spend alot to learn what we learn and that doesnt even count all the work, thought and groveling we do to get here. So keep that in mind before you decide to ridicule those who did it the right way at a high personal cost both personal and financial.

Taz.....I appreciate your need to be entertained but who the fuck are you? Nobody, just like everybody else. So jerk off if you need entertainment and if your too sore from doing it when your not at work, then jerk somebody else off. You wont end up looking like such a wise-ass prick that way....although you may still end up with a dirty mouth.

Fireal.


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 06/11/06
Painted Angel Studios

And you are a moron...you do not know me and you have no clue as to the bullshit we went through because of this person...if someone posts dumb shit on here they get slammed...pretty simple huh?

So if ya don't like what I post ...don't read it!...T


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Posted by Sir J-Werk, Knight of Search Engines from IP: 168.166.22.15 on 06/11/06
Searching the Engines

...Just another ignorant, missinformed, know it all, posting on shit that he has no clue about. You have made no friends or have you influenced anyone on the forum you lettuce lipped fucknut!


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.36.169 on 06/11/06
OH

Cincinnati's my neck of the woods now


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 06/11/06
Painted Angel Studios

Hey Mario...whats up pal?


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Posted by Sir J-Werk, Knight of Search Engines from IP: 168.166.22.15 on 06/11/06
Cruising Kevin's....

Taz, do you remember where I put the directions to James house?


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 06/11/06
Painted Angel Studios

Look in the glove box!


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 06/11/06
underground

Taz as you know bro I've been tattooing for 3 years and I never had a formal apprenticeship...And I gotta say I really wish there was someway to learn from you personally....It sucks that I live in CT.....


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.36.169 on 06/11/06
OH

Chillin' Tazz, just chillin'.
Hey that chick with the fairy cover-up came back to my shop yesterday. It healed wonderfully and she's ready for a couple more hours. I'll be workin on it again in a week or 2.


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 06/11/06
Painted Angel Studios

Hey man ...Ya never know whats gonna happen tomorrow!


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Posted by Sir J-Werk, Knight of Search Engines from IP: 168.166.22.15 on 06/11/06
Crusin' hwy 40 in my big 'ole pickup truck....

Oh yeah, I forgot.... If James doesn't clean his ignorance up that he spilled, I think we will have to go teach hime a lesson in manners.


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.36.169 on 06/11/06
Oh

Them clip cords hurt like a bee-otch!!


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Posted by Sir J-Werk, Knight of Search Engines from IP: 168.166.22.15 on 06/11/06
Crusin' hwy 40 in my big 'ole pickup truck....

Now I hate to point fingers but.... God, I have to ask. James, how are things in Muskego, Wisconsin this time of year? Are the Bass bite'n over in Bass Bay or do you go ahead and take the long drive NW up Woods Road over to Mystic Drive South to Big Muskego Lake? Personally I would just go ahead and keep following Woods all the way 'til I hit Durham Drive and head south a little 'til I ran into Schultz Lane or Holz Drive. But I'm curious, what are you doing 385 miles away from home? I thought you said you were from Cincinnati? What? No love for the Bengals?


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Posted by gabe from IP: 70.17.157.225 on 06/11/06

Legacy, you could be getting tattooed by some of the best custom tattoo artists in the industry in CT...


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 06/11/06
Painted Angel Studios

Well actually Gabe I think he HAS been...

But Legacy thanks for the compliment man!...I appreciate it...T


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Posted by legacy from IP: 24.44.170.151 on 06/11/06
underground

Gabe, I have been tattooed by a few ct. artists and youre absolutely right there are some great artists out here...And I have sought out apprenticeships with quite a few of them...shoot...damn near all of them...And its either they're too busy for an apprenticeship, the shops family owned and no outsiders, or they arent someone I'm willing to learn under due to personal preference...
You ever had that one artist that you would LOVE to have apprenticed under or, not even necessarily apprenticed under just someone you would wanna learn as much as you could from? Thats how I feel about Taz...
Great artist, Ol' school tactics, knowledgeable, and an all around cool mo'fo...not to mention knows how to concoct a few drinks that I feel theres no need to mention names as I'm sure EVERYONE on this forum has had a few of these friggin things and has been laid out in a coma for the following 24 hrs, no thanks to him.....Aint that right Tazzy boy!!!!


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 06/12/06
Painted Angel Studios

TAz Blasters R da Shizznitt!!!


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Posted by LoNzO from IP: 58.178.238.88 on 06/14/06
Melbourne, Australia

Ok i am asking from a different perspective here how to tune a tattoo machine, i am a Sheet metal worker by trade and have been interested in tattooing since i was 14 a friend had a home made tattoo and i thought it was cool..... anyhow this is far from the point.../.....
the reason i wish to know how to tune a machine is because i want to manufacture some machines at work in my own time....

i have bought the cheapest machine i could find $65 which i then used to get some basic measurements as to keep everything standard to what is for sale on the market....

obviously it will take many years for me to get this down pat but if i was to be helped by anybody i would progress a lot faster....

everybody wants someone with experience,, but nobody wants to give someone a go...... therefore nobody new gets in old ppl die .... industry dies bad luck i say pass on the knowlge dont keep it tou yourselves you never know the scratchers of today could become the pro's tomorrow


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 06/14/06
painted angel

Lonzo...we don't "keep it to ourselves" however we ARE picky about who we share information with especially on this forum.I seriously doubt you will find someone willing to share machine tuning techniques on the internet....I suggest you start visiting shops and making friends with tattoo artists...TAz


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Posted by the tattoo underground on the move from IP: 64.136.49.228 on 06/17/06
back yard

e-bay has videos for cheap on tattooing
use disposable tubes and buy needles in bulk
some times if your rubber bands are twisted
you'll have no movement
keep every thing clean at all times
use hibicleans
bleach and water spray bottle
wrap your gun with sandwich bag to inshure
no cross contamination
when tattooing use latex gloves
get a medical book learn about the layers of the skin
to deep is for shure bad , practice on your self first
start from bottom up on your tattoo
p.s. some shops will tune


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 06/17/06
Painted Angel Studios

Oh my GOD!!

MORONS ABOUND!!!!!


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Posted by iLL Nino from IP: 67.1.8.90 on 07/03/06
Colorado

Hey Bro! Fuck these "born-with-a-tattoo-machine-in-my-hand" insecure haters! GO FOR IT! If the person getting a piece done is not intelligent enough to research the artist then ink 'em! I have a day job and I also lay ink down in my spare time. I put the pinch on the local motherfuckers who charge way too much for art! Three studios have tried hiring me, fuck 'em! Not having ink done because you can't afford it is bullshit! I sling my art masterfully! The more people go against you, the harder you work! Find your place, be clean, and have fun! Good luck!


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/03/06
Painted Angel Studios

Hey Ill nino...How are things in scratcherville...oops! I mean twin falls Idaho?...You just keep on scratchin dude...assholes like you make us a shitload of money....how about seein some pics of that great "spare time" art you brag about?...just like all the rest of the hackers out there huh?...Not good enough to work in a REAL shop are ya?....Prove me wrong...show me some pics...not one of you lowlife scratchin hacks has come up with one fucking pic of one tattoo...wonder why?...Ashamed?...don't want people to know the kind of work you really do DaVinci?...You fucks are all such a joke...you don't even realize you are beein played....us pros actually WANT you to keep carvin people up ...then we get the profits from the coverups....I just wanna thank ya for makin me a couple hundred grand last year...hell I'll send ya some E bay machines and Prizm ink and cheap hooked needles from Taiwan just to keep you ignorant fucks in business! Oh yeah...I forgot ...you couldn't use real stuff anyway since all you've ever used is a casette motor and sharpened guitar strings and ink from the hobby store! How do ya sterilize?...toaster oven? Pitiful amateur morons!

And why you gotta lie and say you are in colorado fuck head...are you a coward as well as a scratcher? And a liar as well it goes without sayin...you've never been offered a job in a real studio unless its as the shop bitch...yeah thats right BITCH!!...Hide behind the internet you can call yourself a tattoo artist when in reality you are just a trailer trash wannabe!

You keep on doin those ten dollar and a six pack tattoos...while we sit in our nice shops using real equipment to cover up your ridiculous attempts at tattooing...uh...don't give up your day job asshole....I need another new Harley this year and covering up YOUR shitty work will pay for it!...Thanks....Dumbass!...TAz


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/03/06
Painted Angel Studios

Masterful ink MY ASS!!

Show us then ...send us pics of your "masterful" ink

Fuckin JOKE!


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Posted by timeforplanb from IP: 217.42.158.46 on 07/12/06
london

ok.. when reading the first few messeges its a bit like what the fuck!
i mean come on..
to go all the way and say what a waste of money your so dumb to buy it if you cant put it together no you dicks!
we are learning, fuckers!
this is why we are looking for help
i have just bought a £200 tattoo kit and im only 17 so that means im tooo young to get an aprentaship..hence i have bought my own so i can get an early start
so to all u fucking haters..
we are trying to learn so dotn go on asbout how its a waste of money cos to be honest u beed that tattoo gun up ur own fucking ass
we are trying to learn and ur all being pricks and not sharing ur knowledge
thank god there are some decent people actually trying to help
but fail to actually answer the topic question and actually inform us on how to put together are gun.


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 07/12/06
Painted Angel Studios

In the first place you just calling it a "gun" tells me that you are uninformed....and you are saying since we put in our years sacrificing and learning that we should just give you morons everything on a platter?...Ain't gonna happen chump!!

Get the knowledge just as we did...EARN IT!!!


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Posted by MarioJ from IP: 4.224.15.212 on 07/12/06
OH

No shit dude
Noones holding anything back at all. These days theres a right and wrong way to go about things. Its usually best to get an apprenticeship and learn how to tattoo the right way vs. practicing in your home, screwing up a bunch of peoples tattoos and possibly infecting them with something. Of course, people who are first starting out are going to screw up some tattoos but at least in a shop you'll have some sort of guidance.
Not to mention there are way too many people out there who want to be tattooists that cannot draw. Tattooing is basically another medium for artists to work in, EXCEPT this is as permanent as you're gonna get with it and you're dicking around with other peoples health and well being if you think otherwise.


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Posted by reddrgonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/21/06
Montana,USA

I am new to tattooing to and i sit here and look for help just like the next guy but when some one askes a question thay get jumped before you know all the facts maybe he or she dont know the lingo
or maybe thay do . but with my indever to learn i have only found two web sites that gave info here and California Tattoo Company , like me i worked as a fireman and medical field so i know how to keep it clean ( All ) but like some of the other guys said ( apprenticeship go to school ) but what i am trying to say is how can some one learn from some one hwo rips there head off TATTOOING AND YOUR ART IS SUPPOSED TO FUN BUCAUSE YOU LOVE IT.


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Posted by Sir J-Werk from IP: 168.166.22.18 on 07/21/06
Obsessing over my Obsession

Because the world is full of idiots. And those idiots have friends that are idiots. And those idiots who are friends with the idiots have even more idiot friends. And those are the idiots who continue to shit stain the industry.

It's about projecting a possitive image of the tattoo industry to society through exceptional art, insite, and through clean, sterile, educated procedures. The ones that fuck that up are the indiviuals who continue to tattoo through uneducated, unsafe practices and have no artistic ability that completely obliterate this progressive movement.

Why don't we hand out information freely? You can give a bum $5 because he says he's hungry and point him in the direction of the best biscuits and gravey in town but more than likely he just wanted that 5th of Jack to get him through the night.


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 07/21/06
Painted Angel

REDD...

Read the very top post on the forum...the one that says "read before posting" that you so very obviously did not read...this is a tattoo related site ...it is NOT however a "how to tattoo at home" site

Did you learn how to be a fireman on the internet?...I think not pal...come on ...think about it man! Tattooing is an invasive proceedure ....you can get rid of a bad tattoo but ya can't get rid of AIDS, Hepatitis or MRSA!!...And if you are in the medical field you should know that.It would be totally irresponsible for us, as professionals, to encourage tattooing without the proper training...I can use my 12 dollar Dollar Store hose to put out a small trash fire but seriously If my house were on fire I would want a guy like you...a trained firefighter to out it out with the proper traing and equipment....How would you feel if Ebay started selling "do it yourself firefighter training videos?...Ludicrous is it not?...TAz


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Posted by reddragonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/22/06
Montana,USA

Maybe i came across wrong with what i was trying to say , yes you are all wright on what is said about the wright way of tattooing but instead of just jumping all over some one maybe thay can be pointed in the wright direction , apprenticeship or what ever after all we are all adults and if thay are kids go to school . yes i am new to tattooing and practice useing fake skin but i know you cant learn over night useing a tattoo gun . And by the way no i did not read the top "read before posting" then just tell them thay cant get help here , the only resson i was here is to some inspiration from you all . the only resson i spokeup is because people dont learn from getting there ass riped apart but be teaching them. and thanks for not ripping my ass.

James


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Posted by reddragonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/22/06
Montana,USA

By the way i believe that you should not be able to get tattoo supplies un till you are 21. It should be regulated .


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Posted by reddragonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/22/06
Montana,USA

By the way i believe that you should not be able to get tattoo supplies un till you are 21. It should be regulated .


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Posted by Taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 07/22/06
gloved in the midwest

James I can only speak for myself but I never "rip" anybody apart for asking a question...I give people pointers when possible but again this is not a how to forum....now if a poster gets an attitude I am the first one to point out that error to them but in general the pros on this site try to be helpful...Tattooing just cannot be learned on the net

Thanks for your post man and I hope we hear from you again...TAz


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Posted by reddragonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/22/06
Montana,USA

THANKS Taz you are wright the internet is not the place to learn.

James


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Posted by reddragonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/22/06
Montana,USA

THANKS Taz you are wright the internet is not the place to learn.

James


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Posted by reddragonmonk from IP: 216.47.59.216 on 07/23/06
Montana,USA

THANKS Taz you are wright the internet is not the place to learn.

James


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Posted by konvict from IP: 67.72.98.45 on 07/25/06

all you punks hating on someone trying to get info are stupid mutherfuckers that think their shit dont stink just because they work at a shop. i seen some work done by so called profesinal (just cus u work at a shop) and their shit aint all that. go to prison,bet u punk asses wont be talking all that shit bout u need an apprentice,learn the right way. u probaly wont be saying a goddam word fucking pussies.u wont try to tell a mutherfucker what to do just becus ur pro and hes not. youll see the work done by some of these people and u wont say shit u be amaze what talent we have and were not called professionals


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Posted by FYI@information.com from IP: 130.36.27.125 on 07/25/06

Got this from an artist on a forum, enjoy the knowledge it seems to work

Hook up the machine to the power supply unloaded.
1) Back out the contact until it is no longer touching the front spring.
Now, hit the pedal and nothing should happen.
2) Keep your foot on the pedal and slowly turn the contact until it just barley touches the front spring and the machine starts. it should be very faint and you really don't hear the A bar hitting the front coil,
3) STOP. , Tighten down the contact. now slowly turn up the power supply until the a bar JUST starts hitting the front coil. It shouldn’t be that much. It makes a distinctive sound from when it’s not to when it does, pay close attention. When the a-bar just starts to hit the front coil stop.
4) Some where around here is the voltage the coils want to run at.
5) Now lets fine-tune it. With the machine still set up like this, turn down the power supply a little and loosen the contact screw again.
6) Slowly turn it clockwise while holding the machine eye level with the front of the machine facing you. (The A bar nipple should be pointing straight at you)(I found it was easier to see with the nipple pointing to the left). Now as you turn the contact keep your eye on the front spring. You should see 3 images fluttering that looks like 3 separate springs.
7) Slowly keep turning the contact until these 3 spring images are all equally spaced. Fluorescent lighting works best for this and you can really see the spring action I am talking about. Also tilting the machine up to the light at different angles may help you to see this as well.
8) Once you get all three spring images equally spaced, lock her down and then the machine is tuned to where it wants to run with the voltage the coils want to run at for that particular machine.
9) I tried to describe this as best as I can ……


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Posted by Taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 07/25/06
gloved in the midwest

Konvict ...do you think you are the only one who has been to prison?...Get off frontin bitch and go check in ...straight up adseg punk!!


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Posted by Doctor John from IP: 69.208.115.253 on 07/25/06
Fraser,Mi USA

Konvict, while it's indeed true that some of the work coming out of prisons are good, sometimes better than some of the stuff coming out of so-called
professional studios what you don't seem to know is that according to the CDC an estimated 76% of the people getting prison tattoos are also getting Hep C. Scratchers, street or caged, rarely know or care about that 'shit' which is 'why' we don't fling info like you fling ignorance...Doc


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 68.119.249.30 on 07/25/06
no where MO

Konvict,
press your bunk bitch


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Posted by )eremy from IP: 72.199.133.193 on 07/25/06
San Diego

Just to put in my two cents. I really don't think taz, doc, and the rest of them are "hating" on anyone, nor are they trying to say that you guys don't have talent. They are just trying to stress the importance of SAFE, CLEAN tattooing. Again, they aren't saying that it is impossible to be clean and safe outside of a professional studio, just that finding a safe/clean environment outside of one is a very rare thing. The difference is that a licensed studio has regulations to follow. PROVE that they are not following those laws and they will lose their license, be subject to law suites, ect. A scratcher does not have those laws to follow, and as such there is no obligation to keep up your environment...not to mention the other obvious difference, which is, licences professionals are licensed, so there are less of them compared to unlicenced kids who just pick up a machine and think they are good to go. So we all understand how important this aspect is yes?

The problem is, 9/10 scratchers aren't going to learn that on their own. They aren't going to know exactly how to sterilize anything unless somebody shows them...I'm sorry but there is only so much you can really learn from a book. If you think you can learn everything there is to know from reading a book and trying to apply that knowledge to somebody...then you're a fucking retard who is in denial and really needs to find earth really quick, because the reality of this situation is, somebody needs to teach you. It's not about teaching you how to draw or create better art. Nobody is contending your artistic abilities. Unfortunately, art is only HALF of tattooing. The other half is, like I said, Safety, and Cleanliness, and CARE for your customer which you are obviously NOT giving if you are too lazy to get a fucking license, open a STERILE, licensed shop, and create the shit legally. If you care about tattooing so much that you think you need to teach yourself and scratch up your dumbass friends, then you should care enough to do the work!

Now I hear most of you saying, "nobody will let me in, they are scared" and in the same sentence go off on how good your art is. Again, get back down to earth. If your art is so fanfuckingtastic, somebody is going to apprentice you. There is SO much artistic competition in this world it's not even funny. You think you're a great artist? Well so is johnny, and danny, and betty, and sue, and bobby...and the list goes on forever.

I remember reading about the guy sitting in where was it? Kansas...and that they have shitty laws there. Obviously this doesn't apply to every single person, but if tattooing is your passion, and thats what you really want to do for the rest of your life...then by God make it your life, and MOVE if you have to. If the circumstances are such that you can't move, well look, not trying to be mean, but if you can't make it happen, stop bitching.

I've only been floating around the forum for a few weeks now, and I'm already tired of people claiming that all the professional tattooists are "haters" just trying to keep your poor self out of the business. I can't even imagine how tired the regulars are of this idiocy. Look...there may be alternative methods these days. Great, it's one more way to learn, and one more reason why you should work your ass off until you can get an apprenticeship, and then work your ass off some more. You aren't going to learn how to operate on somebody's heart through a book. Sure you can read about it, sure you can watch it on t.v...but that doesn't mean you can /do/ it. In any field there are always exceptions, but for every exception, there are 10 thousand people behind you that /aren't/ an exception, and never will be...give these people better examples of how to do things. Because as a teen myself, I know we suffer from the "it won't happen to me" syndrome...and the truth is, it can, and it will if you don't do things right. I've said just about all I can say about this...and I'll admit, it was mostly for me to vent ;). But I hope that you "scratchers" will just please, please take the advice of these guys. They've been in the business for /years/, they know what they are talking about. Stop being paranoid that everyone is just out to fuck you over. And remember that good ol' saying..."anything worth doing, is worth doing right"

-)eremy-


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Posted by theval from IP: 65.10.89.108 on 07/25/06
in front of the computer

Jeremy,

Damn good post! Hope to see more from you.

You are no longer allowed to only lurk.


:o)
theval


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Posted by ink_junkie from IP: 68.119.249.30 on 07/25/06
no where MO

for my 2 cents.
if i would have sat around and cried that no one would let me in,
i never would have gotten in.
i know it's hard because i did it.
but, the fact of the matter is.
if you really want to be a tattooist, you'll do it.
if you sit around and do nothing but bitch that no one will let you in,
you'll never get in.


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Posted by Doctor John from IP: 69.208.115.253 on 07/25/06
Fraser,Mi USA

Jeremy, as theval already said, damn good post, very intelligently written and on point, Thanks for posting, perhaps when some of this comes from
people who aren't tattoo artist it will help show it's not just some self-serving
crap we come up with to keep everyone else out as we so often hear. I too hope you'll post again...Doc


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Posted by LIKETATS from IP: 207.155.37.8 on 07/25/06
Tulsa oklahoma

1st off im no tattoo artist but i will say im a machinist and i think the 2 are kind of the same there are apprentices and people who go to school and etc.So what Im trying to say is i didnt go to school to learn how to be a machinist i learned by watching and asking questions pretty soon it came on its own. So I used to love art when i was a teen and so now that i have had the money i bought tattoo equipment and have searched my ass off for info read and read so i decided to do my first on my finger didnt turn out very well but my next one turn out better in fact a lot better than you would think and it was on my womans ass . so now after 4 months or so i have given 9 tattoos nothing fancy but one guy even came back for his second one i charge cheap and tell them im no pro but i will be.So I learned the fundamentals of maching from some guys who didnt mind showing me for free cause I couldnt afford school and i have a family.So I think remember just an opinon but id say tattoo artist who wanna charge you to learn is BS if you see a guy come and truly wants to learn to benefit his or hers life help them out whats in really gonna hurt not everyone ,but you know some people who really want to do this and they dont have the help. give them a chance show them a few things and send them on their way. i can post my tats i have done . If any 1 whats to doubt my story. I will even take some pointers if any 1 can help like shading and coloring .the cool thing about my job is im a machinist and i made my own tattoo machine grips out of 316 stainless pretty cool huh and my own designs on them . well good luck to everyone and i hope we all can live prospress.


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Posted by Doctor John from IP: 69.208.115.253 on 07/26/06
Fraser,Mi USA

Liketats, I don't think I can agree that being a machinist and a tattoo artist are quite the same. For one thing, a machinist can recycle his mistakes and for another, rather important one, a machinist doesn't need to know
a thing about sterilization, blood borne pathogens, cross contaminations,
pigment reactions and a lot of other things a real tattoo artist DOES. As to you saying you couldn't afford school and have a family, frankly that's a story we've heard way too often. Think that would fly if you were practicing
medicine without the proper schooling, try telling the court you couldn't afford to go to school and had a family, I'm certain that would work, right?
Of course you could always call a hospital or surgeon and ask for some
pointers and of course, I'm certain they would be very glad to give you
information about how to do their jobs. Oh, by the way, I've got friends that are out of work, could you share any useful information as to how they could become a machinist, they lack experience but they'll work cheaper than you do so perhaps your employer would rather have them do your job, then you could become a full time scratcher...Doc


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Posted by likestats from IP: 207.155.37.8 on 07/26/06
Tulsa oklahoma

Well doc first off ill start by saying i was drinking a little beam last night and everything i wrote was kinda mumbo jumbo . but your right there not quit the same but my point was people are going to laern 1 way or the other.A person with some common since will try to be as clean and as professional as they possably can for instance me ,autoclave, new needles ,everthing cleaned sterilized you know what im saying. Sorry for the last comment i made and your friends by the way that are lazy tell them just to apply them selfs a little.


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Posted by lukeimurfather@hotmail.com from IP: 72.153.217.2 on 07/28/06
Miami FL USA

dude you have some serious grammar errors, what are you smoking?


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Posted by 23enigma from IP: 68.117.18.123 on 07/30/06
South Eastern Wisconsin

I've been a tattooist for around 5 years now. Two of which were my apprentice time. I learned from who I thought (at the time) was an absolute asshole who didn't want me to learn shit. The first year of it was building machines and understanding the basics. The 2nd was fixing tattoos and doing touch ups. Sometimes he let me do small work on people. I cannot express to you how important it was to learn these things. I won't lie about it I was a scratcher at one point and did tattoo without experience. I was lucky that the few things I did do before I was an apprentice were not only small but I didn't scar the fuck out of the people or spread disease.
I have to agree with everyone's reply in this forum... You need to be an apprentice. PERIOD... Even if you were to learn from scratching and putting scars on everyone you know, you are still putting the industry at risk. There are laws for a reason. I can't even tell you how many people had "a friend" that did a tattoo and came to me to get it fixed. Beyond the lack of skill, unless you have an ultrasonic and an autoclave you have no business working with peoples bodies. On top if it all even if you have these things you're probably not working in an area that even has serious hard surfaces that can be cleaned with the proper cleaners.
I would love to say that I'm not trying to bust your balls here, but I am. Because it's things like this that can make make my life a living hell...
If you have any ambition to tattoo and keep the industry alive... Put down your machines... Get a portfolio together... and go put up with shit like the rest of us. Because unless you do it the right way... You could make it next to impossible for this industry to stay alive.


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.199.146 on 07/30/06
Painted Angel Studios

When I first met Uncle Bert (Grimm) I thought he was the absolute MEANEST old fucker God ever put guts in...but you LEARNED by God! And what knowledge in that old grizzled head! Jeeesh! And thats what it really comes down to isn't it?


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Posted by Chirag from IP: 202.88.163.51 on 08/27/06
India

Hey can some one tell me where can i get an apprenticeship done.


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Posted by Chirag from IP: 202.88.163.51 on 08/27/06
India

Can any one of you guys teach me how to do tattoos .....
or learn the art of tattooing ......
i am seeking professional help ..........
since u'll guys are in this field since ages can u'll help me ..........
please mail me at ozzy666ozzy@gmail.com
would appreciate advice


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Posted by xl_illusion_lx@yahoo.com from IP: 72.199.133.193 on 08/27/06
San Diego

These guys here are more than happy to help you out, but you gotta do the work! This includes reading the FAQ...also known as the "aspiring artists, want to learn to tattoo?" threads. That will tell you all you need to know to become a tattoo artist. (I'm not flamin' ya buddy, I'm just giving you the heads up so you don't get flamed).

I'm sort of making it my unofficial job to inform people about this stuff, lol...maybe so you vets can relax a bit and answer the good stuff (like my questions ;) haha.

Jeremy


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 08/27/06
Painted Angel Studios

Sure I will teach you...or at least give you a chance....move to missouri and come see me!...TAz


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Posted by gabe ripley from IP: 71.123.70.205 on 08/28/06
OffTheMapTattoo.com / TattooNOW

Proper sterilization is obviously the most important thing about tattooing.

As far as breaking into the industry, I've never seen the tattoo world not bring in an honest amazing artist who truely loves tattooing and is willing to travel and work hard. Indeed, I've watched good artists of integrity get sucked up to the top in a matter of years. Success is more than just the art, its also about the learning, the network, the equipment, the location, the marketing, etc, etc but the art is the single most important ingredient to insure success(indeed if its good enough it will overcompensate for other weaknesses), and proper equipment and techniques will take that talent and enable the best results.

the secret is simple, art school/mad amounts of practice for years(maybe in a graphic design work for hire type job/hustling paintings/prints/etc) to create an amazing portfolio + getting amazing tattoos from the best artists(via learning and networking) will open the path you need to take.


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Posted by gabe ripley from IP: 71.123.70.205 on 08/28/06
OffTheMapTattoo.com / TattooNOW

I have to add, one thing I really love about the tattoo industy is how often it rewards talent with success. Now, Im not saying that tattoo artists have it easy, but if you put the right ingredients in you generally get the right results out (ie. talent + work = success). Not every art enjoys that type of security. Its difficult finding people with talent, dedication, and patience...


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Posted by russ from IP: 81.159.215.149 on 12/11/06
uk

hiya im a self taught tattooist i practiced on bannana skins melons and such for months before i tattood my self and i think it paid off check out my pics on bebo n let me know what you think http://tattoo4life01.bebo.com


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Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 12/11/06
KS

I hope your thumbs break


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Posted by gabe@tattoonow.com from IP: 75.82.250.71 on 12/11/06
Off the Map Tattoo

Hey man, have you checked out our portrait tattoos gallery? You really should be concentrating on your art and seeking out the best artist you can to apprentice you.


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Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 12/11/06
KS

Does hoping his thumbs break make me a hypocrite? I think it does. damn


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Posted by Apprentice from IP: 74.100.115.197 on 12/12/06
CND

Machine Gun magazine helped me figure some things out.


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Posted by siriusB from IP: 71.80.157.21 on 01/02/07
Wa, USA

While I understand and respect those of you who have searched out apprenticeships and learned the "proper" way, I do not think this gives you the right to slam others looking to learn in their own way. This guy did not say he had a line of stupid friends waiting outside his door for him to get his machine up and running with cash in hand for him to ruin their skin and quite possibly their lives.
All he asked for was a little technical support, but most of you were too busy being a$$holes to stop and remember when you first decided to tattoo.
While I agree that sanitation is the most important thing in this art form, and that professional guidance is key, it is possible to be self taught and maintain sanitary conditions as well as develope amazing skills.
I would urge you all to think about some of the greatest artists and look into their training or lack there of, and climb down off you pedestals and help out a fellow artist.


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Posted by Hotspark from IP: 206.183.139.162 on 01/02/07

Just once.............once I'd like to see someone looking for tech help would post some art work along with their request.You might be surprised at the help you'll get if you'd prove you could even draw.


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Posted by TattooConnect.com from IP: 86.136.99.211 on 01/02/07
Miami, FL

this thread s so old that that guy proly die of an infection he got scratching on someone.lol


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Posted by SEAZONS from IP: 65.93.103.225 on 01/27/07
canada

i have been tattooing for over ten years was never taught by anyone except watching when i was getting a tattoo by so called reputable professionals in there shops and learned everything by watching how many fuk ups they made all the tats i have from shops are garbage i have more scars from shops missing parts of the tattoo problems with shops are they are money hungry if u love the art then why make hamburgers boys i could have worked at many many shops and still till this day i say FUK U pick up some practise skin chicken and practice practice practice i laugh at all u fukrs that do a couple of tattoos and think they are god guess what u started somewhere teach people its a beutiful art
ART ART ART ART ART ART ART ART dont forget eh


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Posted by ven from IP: 207.200.116.5 on 02/01/07
fresno, ca

I read the bulk of this discussion and can see that while an apprenticeship would be ideal the majority of tattooists keep there skills a secret. It’s probably easier to learn magic. There are no apprenticeships in my area so I am learning by any means necessary. I ask as many questions as possible; learn about keeping a sterile environment and maintaining my equipment. While I don’t know everything just yet, my degree in fine art as well as my degree in electronics has definitely giving me a leg up. Lots of things can be learned, but artistic talent can only be discovered and cultivated. There is nothing wrong with the pursuit of knowledge. P.S. if you are going to ask, I can draw. I was the youngest person ever invited to compete in the “California’s finest” art competition at 16. That was 10 years ago.


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Posted by moose from IP: 24.8.209.204 on 02/02/07
Denver

I appriciate almost everything anyone has said. Both from the studio artist insisting on newbies wanting into the field to get and apprenticeship to those who exlaim that tattooing by essence was a self-taught art and can continue that way with due respect giving by watching and learning while getting tattoos on themselves.

One thing that cannot be self-taught however (IMO) is sterilization and cross contamination.

So you're wearing latex gloves (which aren't sterile), and you're tattoo'ing some yeah-hoo, and you need a bit more power... so you reach up and adjust the knob on your powersupply, well, you've contaminated that powersupply. I have a lamp I use to eliminate shadows... if I were to grab it to adjust it's angle... cross contamination. Every place you might touch during the tattoo needs to be protected with something none porous and disposable (cling wrap or tape, etc.)

You'll see many artist in a shop use plastic bags over their machines and clip cords. Some artists even use masks as they are concerned with airborne blood particles and inhaling them.

The last thing you want to do to a friend or a stranger is give them the HIV virus or Hepititus.

The primary reason for getting your ass into a shop (in most cases), is not to learn HOW to tattoo, although you will learn that, you will learn how not to kill people. That's kind of important....

P.S. There are clases for this too (go to the next Tattoo convention). Costs are about $250 for an all day course.


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Posted by tim@paintedangel.com from IP: 24.121.203.95 on 02/02/07

Ummm, The Red Cross offers a triple course, Blood Borne Pathogens, Cross Contamination and CPR for $48!!

Course lasts one full day, inquire at your local red cross office


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Posted by the_freezer from IP: 76.178.163.67 on 02/04/07
Northern Idaho

In reply to all of this, give everyone a break to a point. I've been layin down ink for awhile now. I started out by one of those punk kids that bought a kit and thought it would be easy. Fortunately, I was already very artistic (College by means of Graphic Design/Fine arts scholarship).

By no means!!! do not tattoo real skin if you've never had an apprenticeship. If you gotta give it a try, go buy a box of oranges and go to town. I remember when I was sick of fruit, but it helps develop how steady you are. If you can't ink fruit, get the fuck out the buisness.

When I first decided to actually do skin, it was just touch-ups for friends. I never even considered doing skin until I had an autoclave and everything I needed for sterilization and tattoo care. Most dont take the right precautions.

Also, get your hepatitis shots ect. Your dealin with blood and that can be dangerous. If your not 100 percent confident give it up now. I went in confident and stuck to it. Because of that I've gotten more skilled. You will screw up! Just hope its on yourself. The first human skin I inked was my left leg. I suggest you do the same. If you can't do that, you shouldn't do it.

Thats about all I have to say. Its ok to experiment, just don't start out making the wrong habbits. I'm sure everyone will agree with that. Good luck inking.

PS. Two weeks after I bought my kit guns, I tore em apart and rebuilt. Every artist has a preference. I didnt' like mine so I rebuilt em...

Freezer


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Posted by maxjones@verizon.net from IP: 71.161.13.210 on 02/10/07

I have read almost the entire discussion board and I am still hearing people bash beginners. It is crap. Obviously getting an apprenticship is the best answer but with that being said now lets move along. People are going to get answers somewhere so why not give them the right answers. If someone puts up bad info, that is when you guys should be bashing someone. It sounds to me that the main concern here is "More tattooists = Less people for you, which means less money. Now who doing it for the money and not the art. I am also hearing people say that "I am not going to give that info for free when it took me years to come by" what if everybody took that attitude? We be in a world of jackasses. What if the very first tattooist did that crap. Lighten up guys. Maybe there wouldn't be so many basement butchers in this world if information was more readily available. Maybe people wouldn't take up tattooing if the really knew the process. And Maybe you guys could just help a brother out. Everyone is getting so cutthroat these days. Crap Crap Crap!!!


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Posted by maxjones@verizon.net from IP: 71.161.13.210 on 02/10/07

I have read almost the entire discussion board and I am still hearing people bash beginners. It is crap. Obviously getting an apprenticship is the best answer but with that being said now lets move along. People are going to get answers somewhere so why not give them the right answers. If someone puts up bad info, that is when you guys should be bashing someone. It sounds to me that the main concern here is "More tattooists = Less people for you, which means less money. Now who doing it for the money and not the art. I am also hearing people say that "I am not going to give that info for free when it took me years to come by" what if everybody took that attitude? We be in a world of jackasses. What if the very first tattooist did that crap. Lighten up guys. Maybe there wouldn't be so many basement butchers in this world if information was more readily available. Maybe people wouldn't take up tattooing if the really knew the process. And Maybe you guys could just help a brother out. Everyone is getting so cutthroat these days. Crap Crap Crap!!!


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Posted by tattooConnect.com from IP: 75.202.68.85 on 02/10/07
Miami

Hey MaxJones
are you an artist, no that it matters,
but me as an artist I've seen, heard and watched a lot of people getting messed up and ill by people that thought they could inject ink on someone's by simply watching a video or reading a book.

I am never going to forget the day a client came to my ex shop with a tattoo all puffed with puss done by "a friend" for 20 bucks. asking how he can fix that.
It took the dude several weeks under antibiotic to reduce the swelling/ infection and he got a nasty scar that took a bigger tattoo to cover over the months.

Nothing wrong with learning on your own, not the best way and it will take a lot of fu#c ups to realize how to do it right. Also if you are illegally tattooing in your state, you may sleep a few nights with "bubba" your cellmate and new boyfriend.

Put all your options on a scale, come up with your own conclusions.


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Posted by kain from IP: 75.209.200.248 on 02/11/07
oakland

i cant understand why people get so offended when someone doesnt just tell them the things they themselves spent years to learn, like these people have earned the right by just posting a thread on a website. I myself am still learning, but I dont expect anyone to just say, "here ya go, heres how its done", wen i myself wont share the little bit i know. you have to earn respect, no ones gonna hand it to ya, and as frustrating as it can be, its part of what i consider a trial by fire, sink or swim, watever you call it. only the strong survive,so be strong and persevere


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Posted by drtywhteboy from IP: 71.197.187.9 on 02/11/07
lakewood washington

DONT GIVE UP ! I LEARNED IN THE JOINT AND WENT FROM THERE,I DONE JUST AS GOOD WORK WITH ACD PLAYER MOTOR ,BIC PEN AND AFLINT SPRING OUT OF LIGHTER, AS ANY BODY WITH AN APPRENTISHIP EVER DID , I GOT MY FIRST GUNS AS AKIT ,IKNOW THEYRE CHEAP BUT YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK , FIND SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ELECTRONICS AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW WHATS GOING ON WITH YOUR GUNS,I STILL GOT CUSTOMERS WHO LIKE TO SHOW OFF THEIR GREAT QUALITY ART WORK DONE WITH A HOME MADE RIG OR STARTER KIT GUNS , ITS NOT JUST THE EQUIPMENT ITS ALSO THE OPERATOR. BE CLEAN BE SAFE,AND BE CAREFUL AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU


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Posted by money mark from IP: 24.245.73.3 on 02/12/07
siren, wisconsin

hey i read all that you ppl had to say and alot of it was insperational id just like to say that im 16 and i made a tattoo gun and i give some bomb ass tattoo's but i hate them because there nothing like the pro's do iv only gave like 10 tattoo's but i just dont know how to get better i wish someone would help me cause this is what i wanna do the wrest of my life, its sooo fun.


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Posted by tim@paintedangel.com from IP: 24.121.203.95 on 02/12/07

Dirtywhite boy

Quit bragging and post some pics of those great homemade tattoos you do.

We will hold our breath.

You can tell how much they know when they call it a "gun"

And, oh yes!, lets brag about learning to tattoo in prison, YEAH!!


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Posted by paul2000@email.com from IP: 72.252.15.245 on 02/12/07

i learned in prison aswell, its a way to get into it,
but after, i went to work in a tattooshop and learned the right way from scratch.. (scratch don't really sound right, i learned from the beginning ;))
most people that tattoo in prison have learned it in prison, and don't know much about cleaning, aftercare and blood borne pathogens..
luckily the guy that taught me had been tattooing in shops for years before coming to prison..
i'm not saying its bad, and i'm not saying its good, but once you get out, you can't call yourself a tattoo artist, you still have to find yourself an apprenticeship, and start at the bottom..


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Posted by tbilharz@gbpackerfan.com from IP: 69.46.206.183 on 02/13/07

Hey, bro!..I like to see more get involved with the tattoo biz. Don't listen to alot of these big head shit talkers who, obviously are tat mercenaries. I started slinging ink 22 years ago with a homemade gun. I bought my first real gun a few years after that and have been completely successful! I have had no "aprenticeship" or mentor....just 100% self taught. You can find the info you need to adjust your guns, just dont look on forums. Believe in your self and you can be very successful, providing you have artistic talent. But some points ohers have made are correct, Use practice skin, grapefruit, and yourself before venturing out onto others. Get a great feel for the equipment, control the depth, dont have a heavy hand, and mostly have fun!


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Posted by paul2000@email.com from IP: 72.252.15.245 on 02/14/07

after this whole thread, you still call it a gun??
and where are you pictures to back up your story??
how is one supposed to know how deep to go for instance, when all you've worked on is oranges?? it's not fair to the people you are undoubtedly going to fuck up while learning (even though they say they don't care, eventually they will care about a big ugly scar), and unnecessary.


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Posted by Observer from IP: 65.95.129.16 on 02/20/07
Canada

After scrolling through countless postings of cutdowns, egotistical boasting and just plain sickening replies. I may have found 2 tidbits of info that are slightly useful to me.
Other than that, this site as is, is a waste of space.

I think we can all agree that safety first is important.
Know your CDC and Infection control procedures before even thinking about sticking a sharp into someones skin.

If you search "how to set up a tatoo gun" in google, this site comes up first for some rediculous reason.

I beleive the original question was how to set up a tattoo gun, not how do I tattoo. I was looking for info because I wanted to practice on other materials (Not a human) and unfortunately my gear did not come with setup info. I don't recall anyone asking, "How can I tattoo and make some killer cash?". I have no want to get in to tattooing people for money or gain, I just wanted to try my hand at it before deciding if I wanted to pursue tattooing on a more serious level. I understand that what looks good sketched on paper may look like hell on skin.
Most of the replies here have been very discouraging to the industry itself in my opinion. I have met with several shops here locally and find them to be in shady condition, prefab, no talent, mickey mouse or overpriced to the tits. Seems some artists fancy themselves as Van Gogh and want to charge you as such. The other shops, well, the Ego's made you turn around and walk out of the shop.

I've read.. You have to respect these oldskool tat pros, yet I read on as they out and out disrespect the people that are asking these "Oldskooler's" simple basic questions. They aren't offering respect to the people that are coming here for help. Instead they cut them down and continue on like they are the holy all knowing keepers of the art.

To the arrogant people here that are "Old skool":
I appreciate the fact that you travelled from afar to seek out the almighty wise ones, or carried the lord of the ring's goodies to the tallest mountains BUT.... In all likelyhood, you are Old School and are fairly old and the Internet may not have been around or as popular back when you started, so why bash people for using a modern means of obtaining information on the information highway?
Can you seriously say that if the internet was as popular then as it is now, that you wouldn't have searched for a site rather that go travelling, sleeping in infestations or let some ego maniac belittle you as the lowly apprentice?

This site should be renamed to either. "Bash the newcomer.com" or "Elite_tattoist_blow_their_horns.com" or even "useless_bantering&cutdownsR.us".

As for someone who doesn't speak very clear english or has typing issues, WTF does that have to do with artistic talent??

Go right ahead and bash me too for posting my opinion I wouldn't want to feel left out. I am only stating the impression I am getting from this site.

If this is in fact a help site, maybe keep the replies coming from HELPERS ONLY and give a forum to the Elites so they can cut eachother down instead of picking on people who would like some legit info about tattooing. That could help keep the bullshit replies from the Elitest from clouding and cluttering up the forum. At what point do you lose your humility and think you are god?

In general, this forum has only highten my opinion that most tattoo'ers are arrogant and self-centered. That alone turns me off of the thought of taking up the trade. The thought of some of these replies coming from my lips would mean I have become like them. Very Scary.

I don't plan to return to this site, so a reply to this will likely not be seen by myself. I recommend anyone looking for legit info on Gun setups or general info regarding tattooing or infection control to keep searching. This site has nothing but gods that won't tell you jack-shit.

Later Mr. and Mrs. God Tattoo Kings and Queens


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Posted by gabe from IP: 71.161.156.36 on 02/20/07
OffTheMapTattoo.com / TattooNOW

Ummm, good luck. If you need to ask the internet how to set up your machine your going to need it. You should ask someone who knows how to tattoo, and not on a public anonymous forum. I wonder if you even checked out the tattoo galleries, what this site is about...


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Posted by Ohsillydutchman@yahoo.com from IP: 75.30.113.207 on 02/20/07
The Hague

I love that people, (mself included at times) forget that this forum is the absolute least important part of this site. its a lovely distraction, but the meat and bones of this site are the amazing tattoos posted on like a daily basis.


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Posted by suck it from IP: 24.108.82.30 on 03/01/07
canada

I just wanted to say to all these so called "artists" apprenticeships are not about which sucker is goin to pay me the most money or teachin my untalented buddy my trade, it's about passing on knowledge these artists that charge idiots money every month to teach them are just exploiting there desire to learn how to tattoo I am an apprentice a real apprentice for a real trade not a sissy tattoo artist that "draws" for a living. Most of you people are hacks anyway it is very misleading to have artist in the name of your profession perhaps you should be tattooists from now on as it is rare to find artist amongst the degenerate tracers. Granted there are no schools but or government regulations but perhaps there should be that way people could learn properly and apprentices could get paid for learning like we do in the real world instead of paying some hack that thinks he is way to cool money to hang out and clean his shop and scrub the HIV out of tubes.


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Posted by tim@paintedangel.com from IP: 68.95.127.201 on 03/01/07

Well we have heard it all now!

Thanks for your wise input oh anonymous poster!

Go up to any tattoo artist and tell them what you just said, learn a lesson real quick!

Where are these people coming from?


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Posted by woody from IP: 58.38.155.3 on 03/07/07
belgium

Jesus, what are we friendly to each other here....

I am currently busy with a apprentship here in Shanghai (2 months now) and for sure still got tons of questions.
thats why some people like me come here.

i bet even the best off you guys here got questions....

getting a apprentship is a good thing,,,
everybody of you guys can learn something from each other...

sorry for my bad english....


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Posted by jokervirus from IP: 142.68.191.82 on 04/07/07
glace bay, ns, canada

ok, I agree with a lot of people on this site because there is no one in my home town or surounding areas that will take on an aprentice. Hell the nearest tattoo shop is an hour a wayif not longer. I started tattooing with a home made gun and to this day still use that gun. I don't do it for the money I do it for the art, If someone brings me something that I can't do I tell them just that.I don't use the same needle twice and I don't use the same shaft twice, I could have a half a cap of ink left and it goes in the trash. I clean the room that I tattoo in with all the same cleaners that the hospital uses. I use none latex gloves because you never know when someone is going to be alergic.POINT BE CLEAN and if you do fu*k someones tattoo get it fixed on your dime because your the one they trusted and your the one that let them down. Oh and for thoughs who are wondering I've bin tatooing for six years with a home made gun.


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Posted by tim@paintedangel.com from IP: 24.121.169.74 on 04/08/07

Hey Jokervirus, I need some advice. What size cartridge do I use in my "GUN"? And should it have a lot of recoil?

What kind of ammo do you use in your GUN?


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Posted by jokervirus from IP: 142.68.184.94 on 04/08/07
canada

I made my own gun as I siad before, but it's not an actual tat gun type of set up. My gun is my own design and I make my own needles and shafts to use with it. As for the recoil, the more recoil you got the more it's going to hurt the person that you are tattooing.


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Posted by jokervirus from IP: 142.68.184.94 on 04/08/07
glace bay, ns, canada

as for the ammo as you put it, where my gun is home made it's all single needle. If I could find some where around here to by pro needles and shafts I would because they would fit my gun "with one minor ajustment to the top of the needle."

Sorry if I sound rude, it's just the way I type.


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Posted by Fallen King - TattooConnect.com from IP: 65.8.80.189 on 04/10/07
Miami

"recoil"l ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLL this is a joke isn't it?


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Posted by jokervirus@hotmail.com from IP: 142.68.191.5 on 04/10/07
glace bay, ns, canada

I try to compensate for the the lack of slang that I can talk, what I mean by recoil is the kickback that you can get if your machine isn't set right. which does hirt like hell. They only reason I used the "gun&ammo" reference is because that's the slang the other guy was using.


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Posted by jokervirus@hotmail.com from IP: 142.68.191.5 on 04/10/07
glace bay, ns, canada

oh and now that I read the post better I get that he's trying to make fun of me. But shit happens then you die don't let people like this mess with your mind it's a waist of time. ( I mist the cartridge part the first time.)


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 70.230.254.92 on 04/10/07

No man just havin a little fun at your expense....don't be offended...and I wish you the best of luck tattooing!....ya really should call it a machine tho man!


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Posted by turtle_525i from IP: 140.254.47.138 on 04/20/07
Ohio

Some of us cant afford an apprentiship...


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Posted by turtle_525i from IP: 140.254.47.138 on 04/20/07
Ohio

I am thinking of buying a setup just to mess with.. no I am not stupid... I would never put ink on someone untill I had the proper training. I know many people who have shops. and I dont have 5,000 to drop on an apprentiship... I am glad you guys all did but I dont. My artwork is fine, the only thing i think I would have problems with is shading. but hey we all have to start somewhere...Now go ahead and rip me apart I can take it.. have a good one all


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Posted by Benn from IP: 82.33.119.71 on 04/26/07
england

I am mid aged guy and have a few tattoos myself and up untill a year ago i have always wanted to start on the never ending path to learning about the skill. After asking the studios in my area and some out i decided to go for broke and look into it myself. I aquired some equipment and slowly built it up over time due to the expence. I emailed and asked many questions to suppliers and in forums like this one about any methods that i did not understand or wanted a clearer picture of. The studios that i have been in and had tattoos have all got quite funny when to many questions are asked, but i found out most things. As i said before i started this a year ago and out of my friends etc i have given 15 tattoos in total. some needed to be touched up but they are fine now. My friends are proud to have some of my first tattoos on them and they all look forward to my skills increasing and all would like more of them.
Anyway i really just wanted to say that if your heart is set on learning this skill/tradition, the information is out there to read and learn. I am now where near profesional and have a very long time before i get there. I think any artist putting anyone like myself down should cut a bit of slack. Not everyone can be lucky enough to gain 1st hand experience.
If there is anyone out there willing to pass on any highly appreciated knowlege i would very much like to know who you are so that i may contact you.
I have found that near enough every artist has a slightly differant way of doing something.


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Posted by riskems@yahoo.com from IP: 72.211.218.3 on 04/27/07
Tustin, Ca, United States

I'm far from an expert on tattooing but I know that if you are not getting any noise or movement then the problem could be at the power source. Or there could be a break in the circuit/wiring.


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Posted by FreudianSlip from IP: 70.53.245.89 on 05/03/07
Montreal,Quebec, Canada

Hello to everyone here

I'm a 23 yr old psych student from Montreal, looking into becoming a proper tattoo artist (and/or piercing artist as well, but thats in the long term, i'll stick to keeping getting pierced for now ;)) .

I've been interested in the trade for quite a while now, haven't been inked myself yet (altough i am planning on it in the near future, but have gone to parlors where friends were getting inked to chat with the artists and see them at work). More than interested really, but i guess up until now i wasnt ready to really give myself the kick needed to get into the world of tattoing.

After speaking with some artists and shop owners, and getting some amount of praise on my work (i'll post up a few pics at the end of the post) , i've often met with shops who already had apprentices and who couldn't take anymore, or my busy schedule (full time school and full time work) wouldnt have allowed me to fit in an apprenticeship anyway. Several artists did tell me however that they had started from scratch and that it was a way like any other to start (as long as i made sure the way i learned was safe, of course). So i decided to invest on a 'kit' and i recently received it.

Now i just want to clear some things up. I have no intention on becoming a scratcher, the kit i bought was mainly to get some degree of experience under my belt testing out pigskin and other nonhuman surfaces before going to a tattoo shop with a folio. Humans will have to wait until i'm confident enough in my skill (AND techniques).

I've learned from prior experiences most of the sterilisation issues (I've got a background in Paramedics and as a Lifeguard) and i also realize the importance of safety whenever one wrks with needles.

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I came on this site because i was looking around the machines i just received and how to properly make them work, being in the same situation as the original writer of this post. I've read every single post, and i have learned valuable things throughout the reading. I also understand from reading some post by definite 'scratchers' the risk of divulgating your techniques online to just about anyone (hell at first i was stunned by the harshness of the replies, but after seeing some scratcher post, hell i sure understand) . I mean for a couple hundred bucks anyone can viciously scar someone for life, thinking 'it'd be cool'? Kinda scary i'll admit.

But after reading through all this and the FAQs i got a few questions still. I'm hoping someone here can help me.

1) Okay, i bought a kit *shrugs* .Like i said, i wanted to testdrive this artform. As i've learned from my art degree, i'm a good line artist,but i'm a bad painter. I thought id invest some money but not too much at first, see if i can wield a tat machine well enough, if i could be comfortable with the tools of this medium. Is buying a kit *complete* crap, or you just wouldnt recommend it for human use? Like would me starting to practice on pigskin with it HINDER my path to become a proper tattooer in the future? Whats the real difference really between the 'real' machines and tattoo kits?

2)I'm a french canadian, so my english while decent and mostly complete (please forigve minor mistakes i might make), is struggling to grasp and correlate the part's names ive learned from artists here and what i'm reading on the net. Anyone knows some good tattooing ressources in french? (or a place in Montreal seeking apprentices? hey, thought i'd give it a try ;) )

3)Apprenticeships, Apprenticeships. I've read the Faqs and the facts, but can anyone give me more pointers on how to get one while i'm at it? Should i expect to pay for one? If so, how much is overpricing? Anyone here knows if its possible to fit that in with a full time job and a full time school schedule, or would you as a tattoo artist give a break to someone who would be willing to dedicate himself even though he has little 'free' time in convenient time slots?

4) Thats about it. Wee, long ass post, didnt expect to spam that much. Anywayz, ill leave some pictures i drew in the past 2-3 weeks (nothing jawbreaking but decent enough i guess) here for lack of anything else on this computer. I could always use feedback, and ill brace myself for some bashing criticism.The way i see it you dont criticize what can't improve, you just throw it out the trash and forget about it ;)

Thanks a bunch ahead

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http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=koizunarj8.jpg
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P.S:Originally i was gonna ask how to set up my darned machine which is why i'm posting this here, but after some thought... think i'll go hang out in a parlor with my kit and chat up a bit with an experienced artist in the flesh :P


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Posted by JW from IP: 72.215.11.225 on 05/05/07
california

Hey man cut this guy a break he is asking how to get his machines running its real funny to me that people think you need years of apprenticeship to learn when i truely bought a couple machines and practiced on anything that resembled real skin or close to it for a long time i also took in all the knowledge i could from not only literature but videos also i never had an apprenticeship. I truely hate it when people get on the it takes years to learn bandwagon cuz they obviously have no idea what thier talking about and most liekly have never tattooed a day in thier life. As for your question bro if your machine is not running at all find some literature and vidoe on machine tuning and study it from front to back learn all the parts of the machine and thier function that will tell you what you need to know as far as getting them running , remember you cant fix a part if you dont know what its function is GL hang in there and also you get what you put into this craft remember that.


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Posted by tim@paintedangle.com from IP: 68.93.3.149 on 05/05/07

Theres only one movin part there Sparky!

Its a glorified doorbell


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Posted by johndkings@sbcglobal.net from IP: 67.124.10.131 on 05/06/07
Auburn California

Try doing it right and get an apprenticeship with a professional tattoo artist and maybe you will learn the right way.


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Posted by SHARKSCAR from IP: 70.55.39.193 on 05/09/07
canada

Hey man theres some great advice here i mean if you read through it and disregard the virgins that still let their moms buy their cloths and still live at home, Dont pay any attention to the vomit of crap that spills over their lips. Myself well i have a giant shark shaped scar on my leg i took an because i took it upon myself to learn the hard way i was told to practice on grapefruit and if you go to deep juice squirts out only problem with that is grapefruit doesnt say OW! Either way dont give up. read up on your equitment make sure you have everything and to the rest of you out there....I MAY HAVE A SCAR ON MY LEG BUT ALEAST I KNOW WHAT MY MACHINES FEEL LIKE AND I DONT HAVE STUPID FRIENDS I HAVE FRIENDS THAT THAT SAY ALEAST YOU TRIED IT ON YOURSELF FIRST AND KNOW THAT IF THEY SAY OW THEN THEY'RE PUSSIES.


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Posted by mrbobbo from IP: 206.75.128.193 on 05/17/07
Hanna Alberta Canada

...i've looked over several sites displaying tattoos already on people and i became sick inside me.to the guy who asked 'how do i...'.listen man i've seen these peoples work.i have to tell you,in a lot 'most not all' of these a**holes that call themselves 'and they probably joined some alliance' tattoo proffessionals tattoo art i've seen is a compilation of childish/ignorant/stoopid looking art i've ever seen.i am sad to admit i am an artist 'pestered by friends into doing tattoos' and that soon my tattoos will be compared to these so called proffessionals.what ever were they thinking ??? where is symetry so it looks decent ??? how come yer tattoos look like a kid could have come up with them ??? do you even consider that the body moves ??? that someone might do another tattoo after yours and they might want it to interlock ??? tattoo "artists" yeah right i never paid any of these a holes a cent cause i never saw a grown up looking tattoo or at least a symetrical one.jerks!!!


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Posted by Fungus from IP: 81.110.124.180 on 05/24/07
Burnley, Lancs ENGLAND

Guys,
Like to add a few comments and observations. I worked under a tattoo artist in UK for 15 years, and not once did he show me how to tune the machines! He always tuned them before shop opened in morning, so they were ready for me when I got there. I did learn loadsmore stuff though. I left to get a 'normal' job, but after 7 years not tattooing, I found I still missed it, so I bought myself a 'kit', now, with this in mind, I still didn't know how to tune the machines that came with it. There is actually nothing wrong with the kit, but it is only a START UP job, I have ordered my new machines (Time Machines Invaders) already. Same as the poor guy who keeps getting railed on here, I have had no one to ask to find out about tuning machines etc, so have trawled many databases, books etc for information. I do have a jump start on this guy though, in the fact that I have tattooed before. Word of advice to him though, use disposables mate, needles, tubes etc. I do even to the point of using one-shot inks as well, and make sure everything is covered...spray bottles, machine heads, clipcord, worksurfaces and yourself.
Make sure everything you use is disposed of properly, I don't know the laws in your country but in UK sharps bin for needles and biomedical waste disposal for everything else.
Note to all you 'professional' tattoo artists on here...shame on you! What is better? letting this guy fumble his way along, possibly doing a lot of damage along the way? or giving him the benefit of YOUR experience to help guide him in the right direction, as so onto good work and practice.
Every tattooist in the world had to start somewhere, and I personally was very lucky to work with the artist who taught me how to tattoo, he didn't teach me a few aspects to be sure, but he taught me the most important stuff.....how to tattoo well and cleanly.
Please all, be a little more tolerant of people who want to become good or even great tattoo artists, help them, guide them... do the world a favour.
Ken, England (Scream Inc)


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RE:Machine set up

Posted by tim@paintedangel.com from IP: 24.121.169.74 on 05/24/07

Ken If you really tattooed professionally for 15 years and STILL never learned at least the basics of machine tuning then you are either a liar or a moron!


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Posted by fungus1968@hotmail.co.uk from IP: 81.110.124.180 on 05/25/07
Burnley, Lancs ENGLAND

i'm neither a liar nor moron, worked for a tattooist, part time, did hundreds of pieces. The artist in question never really took me as an apprentice, but as someone to help out as he was very busy. saying that, I DID NOT touch human skin until we were both sure I wouldn't fcuk up the art or scar the client, used oranges for weeks till we were both cmfortable with my ability, and I STILL ride the tube, He never saw the need to teach me the basics of machine set-up, or if fact, never showed me how to solder needles until around my fourth year there. He started himself, taught himself, years before I joined him. He IS a good tattoo artist, taught me the basics to hone my artistic ability that he saw in me, for which I am grateful. I honestly don't think at the time, he was too sure of machine setup himself, as he bought machines already set for whatever purpose he wanted them for, and never really played with them once bought. Saying that, now he does know how to rip them apart and set them up the way he likes. I am still feeling my way around them with regard to perfect set up, to which end, I am sure i will sort them out to run the way i like soon. Now saying that, my artistic talents are self taught, no degrees or anything to back them up, but I don't consider myself to be crap etc..... as stated, I miss tattooing, and have ever since leaving his studio, and will once again be tattooing full time soon... and to let you self righteous tossers out there know, I AM IN IT FOR THE ART NOT THE MONEY!!!! so u can stick your sarcastic fly comments up your ass and get stuffed!


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Posted by Halemarry from IP: 70.178.89.11 on 06/01/07

I think quite a few people are assuming it's easy to get an apprenticeship. In the area I live, the average apprentice has to pony up around $10,000. As a consequence we have a lot of spoiled rich kids tattooing with very little skill. No one who chose them to apprentice cared about their art, they only cared about how much money they could make off of them.

The only tattoo artists I have met that have managed to pay any less only did so on the power of their home tattoo portfolio. My roommate is a tattoo artist at a local shop. Both my roommate and a woman who also works at the same shop only managed to get apprenticed after showing the owners many different and varied pieces, tattooed on either friends or on fruits. The owners would not even take the time to look at their work if it was just drawings, they wanted someone with enough drive to find out some things on their own.

People just assume these people asking questions are only in it for the money. Maybe they want to tattoo themselves, maybe it's just a hobby they are interested in.

That said, I have seen work that came out of a "legitimate" shop, from a "legitimate" tattoo artist that looked like the worst shit out of a scratchers dirty apartment....and I have seen home work that is breathtaking. Talent, passion and drive can come from anywhere.


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i have a school project on tattoo artist

Posted by aliza from IP: 24.36.21.249 on 06/07/07

hi im doing a school project on tattooing and one of the things i have to do is make a resume as if i were apply for a job to be a tattoo artist but for education i read that usually you have an art degree or you send your portfolio in to a experienced tattoo artist to see if they will take you as an apprentice so i was just wondering if any of you could tell me the names of the artist who tought you?
thankyou aliza!!


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Posted by gerryobrien2006@hotmail.com from IP: 74.13.92.180 on 06/15/07
BramptonOntarioCanada

KITS r alright, usually very cheaply made, and not very reliable. Power supplies usually kick out every so often because of god knows what.
Dude, Stick to it, I am sure you will do fine. As one person said on here, "FIND A BOATLOAD of foolish friends" lol and practice. I have been tattooing for 7 years and I have no complaints. and I started with the BOATLOAD of friends to practice on.
It takes time yes, to learn techniques, but that comes. GL Bro.


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Posted by kevstar86 from IP: 86.146.39.158 on 06/21/07
england

hey you lot are harsh man am just starting out my self i did get help from my local tattoo artist to set the kit up but after he told and showed me a thuw thing's i thort it was easyer just setting up my kit and tattooing my friend's manly on there leg's i live in england not many people show of there leg's here all way's raining lol and on that skin shit you can buy in shop's and found it a lot easyer and i dont regret a thing you lot talking like that are gowing to put a lot of people of and that's never a good thing


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Posted by tim@paintedangel.com from IP: 69.149.220.39 on 06/21/07

Its a VERY good thing keeping morons who have no training in BBPs and cross contam, use of an autoclave etc, away from performing invasive and dangerous proceedures on other morons.

It could save lives.


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Posted by jabba from IP: 86.5.91.60 on 07/06/07
england

Hi, just reading all the posts about this subject and bar a few everyone says get an apprentiship. just to throw a spanner in the works, maybe someone can give me some advice please. I served 18 months with a guy in a shop, he thought I was good for business (being an ok looking girl), as he put it. It was only when I actually got to the point of inking people and they seemed to prefer my style (only basic tribal and hearts/Flowers etc) did he get the hump and decide to end my time in the shop. I still needed to learn loads more ( a life times full) but he so kindly decided to make sure that no one in a fifty mile radius would entertain me. So here I am now after two years deciding to hide away trying to get into it again and all I can do is get a kit, practice skin and keep going at it in my house as getting an apprentiship isnt that easy some times. I would love to find a different way of learning but until I am ready to move I would love anyone on here to tell me what to do to further my knowledge without walking in a shop. I am actually serious though, is there another way??????


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Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 69.149.220.39 on 07/06/07

Hell yes there are other ways...work on your artwork...pratise on leather and pigskin since you have already been tattooing right?
Also if you have been working in a shop that long you should know that buying a "kit" is never EVER a good thing...the suppliers that sell kits usually ( almost always) sell junk quality machines, needles and pigments...go to a competent supplier and buy the stuff piece by piece. Saves money and ya get decent quality.

Sorry ya had a bad experience but do NOT allow it to discourage you...if ya want it bad enough NOTHING and no one will stop ya!!!


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Posted by janmarie.baldwin1@ntlworld.com from IP: 86.5.91.60 on 07/06/07
england

god yes I agree, kits arent the way to go at all, but for now it will do on skin and fruit till I get back the quality of line work I used to have. Just fruit and practice skin for now. I just wanted to highlight the fact that, as we all know some artists can be very funny (to put it politely) and if you dont comply with all their wishes sometimes some of them have great influence. Not sure why this industry is still like this, but its not good. I just want to do the thing that floats my boat, how ever I do it and what ever people say about me doing it x


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Posted by Josh from IP: 74.140.11.184 on 07/18/07
Kokomo, Indiana

And at the END of this long thread, and people defending saying "I know how to tattoo leave him alone" noone has yet to tell him how to tune his ebay machine.. *cackle*... Tighten your contact screw until it sounds like an oozie... lots of bright sparks... dip it in some pigment, and start making neat marks!!


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Posted by Daniel from IP: 58.108.110.196 on 07/23/07
Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia

i found this thread through google while looking for advice on how to tune tattoo machines. i am a sheet metal worker and just had a go at building a custom machine for a friend who has been tattooing for a few years. I'm getting major sparking problems between the spring and binding post. From having a quick read i'm guessing that it's the capacitor (i pinched the bits off a s**t kit machine) and i was wondering if any of you experienced people could offer me advice without flaming the hell out of me.
Thanks.


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Posted by urmothr@sukit.com from IP: 68.123.232.85 on 07/27/07

Now that the Hot Topic convention has silenced with their text book answers, everyone has got to start somewhere. As long you are just trying to get the basics (how to set up the equipment, learning all the parts, how to sterilize, learning how to hold it while its moving, etc.) I see no harm in it. How did the first people who created these things learn to use them? There was no one to teach them. We all have to start somewhere and the smartest people I know are those who took control of their destiny rather then follow the familiar path like sheep.


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Posted by white trash tattoo from IP: 64.230.93.145 on 08/04/07
ottawa

dont listen to this crap..buy a cheap kit and then rebuild it...when yer donr you will know evreything there is to know about the machine..coils and springs are easy made and make the gun..cheap frame just means light machine..do what i did..i just looked for people with junk all over them..and thats where a beginner makes his cash is fixing other peoples junk..shops want shop fee to fill in and fix and even still dont want to touch it..ive inked people i met shopping swimming all over..anyone i see with unfinnished work i just say hi and ask them about their work..most people who got junk allready been to a shop to be blown away by the price to fix or fill...trust me..and grapefruit and pig skin is a waste of time..if you shake get a bigger grip...more the grip weighs the less you shake..get a kid and rebuild the machines..then find people with junk...keep prices low and people will love you like a rock star..and your inking real skin..get ready to be a rock star trust me


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Posted by white trash tattoo from IP: 64.230.93.145 on 08/04/07
ottawa

i forgot to mention as for the tunning its all about the figure 8..for outline keep the circle close and listen to the machine..if rough sounding play with your voltage..for color and shade i bring the circle further appart..good luck


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Posted by davey from IP: 71.2.40.190 on 08/06/07
nj

oh man.this is some great stuff.

But i seriously have to disagree with the above poster, dispite his right to feel that way i suppose.

Buyer beware. If something is substancially cheaper than the industry standard (be it the tattoo machine, the tattoo, or a vacum cleaner for that matter) Its probably not because your a smart shopper. It cost what it cost for a reason. Most good artist are too cocerned with the quality of thier work to bother ripping you off. Most good machine builders/companies are too concerned with making thier machines well, and dont have the time to waste trying to scam you. People who cut corners have the time and resorces left over to offer a too good to be true deal. You can make a cheap machine run ok if your willing to put THAT much into it. But you can only make a cake taste so good if you start with rotten eggs. Your time is better spent drawing, tattooing, or cleaning rather then trying to make a lead harp sing. If your going to build a machine start with some decent parts. Your trying to be a tattooist. Buy a guitar if you want to be a rockstar. Just buy a decent one.


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Posted by cliffdawg from IP: 161.51.11.2 on 08/08/07
iraq

SOME OF YOU DUDES ARE FAGS FOR REAL.MY NEPHEW IS AN ARTIST.HE'S SO GOOD HE COULD PISS OUT A PICASSO......PERIOD.BE IT PENCIL,PAINT,A SPRAY CAN, OR CARVING INTO THE SAND AT THE BEACH WITH A STICK.SO I BROUGHT HIM A "KIT".HE'LL TRAIN ON FAKE SKIN.......ORANGES....STYRO-CUPS,ETC....UNTIL HE GETS SKILLS WITH A GUN.THEN GET STERIZATION EQUIPMENT B-4 EVER GOING NEAR A PERSON.AND STUDYING BOOKS AND DVD'S BEFORE THAT TO BOOT!! SO WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH EXPLAINING TO A KID HOW TO SET UP A MACHINE??
OTHER THAN BEING SELFISH....AND A TWEEKER....AND AFRAID OF SOMEONE BEING BETTER THAN YOU AND POTENTIALLY TAKING AWAY FROM YOUR BUSINESS....I CANT SEE A REASON.I HAVE YET TO SEE A TATTOO STUDIO WITH AN APRENTICE.MOSTLY THEY'LL HAVE A YOUNG CHICK (TO FUCK) HELP OUT.OR A WIFE OR THEIR "BUDDY". SO THATS A THING OF THE PAST INSOFAR AS IM CONCERNED.SO HELP PEOPLE OUT.HE DIDNT ASK HOW DEEP TO GO INTO SOMEBODYS SKIN DID HE?? MY NEPHEW HAS NEVER SET UP A GUN...NEVER TATTOOED.BUT HE WILL.....WITHOUT YOUR HELP.....AND AFTER YEARS OF DOING TATTOO ART HE WILL BE BETTER THAN YOU.AND NO THANKS 2 U.


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Posted by CLIFFDAWG from IP: 161.51.11.2 on 08/08/07
iraq

ONE MORE THING....IM A JOURNEYMAN PLUMBER BY TRADE.AND I'VE LEARNED FROM THE BEST.COMMERCIAL...RRESIDENTIAL.....INDUSTRIAL...WHAT HAVE YOU. I HAVE YET TO TURN AWAY SOMEONE FOR ASKING ME A QUESTION ABOUT PLUMBING.ITS A QUESTION.THATS ALL.I LEARNED FROM THE BEST GUYS IN THE TRADE.I'LL BE DAMNED IF I WONT HELP OTHERS BE THE BEST THEY CAN BE.EVEN IF THEY ARE JUST STARTING OUT AT THE BOTTOM.YOU CHICKEN ASS SISSIES.


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Posted by don't matter from IP: 72.164.13.226 on 08/08/07
phoenix arizona, usa

taz, i gotta say that you seem to be alot more civil and less arrogant than in past threads thank you for that i may have misjudged you and for that i appologize. i've been tattooing for a while now and the first three years i was learning on my own until i finally plateued and wasn't getting any better. so i took some art classes and put down the machines and spent every wakin hour i could spare drawing, painting,etc...i finally landed an apprenticeship at a decent shop in sacramento ca. almost immediately i was shocked at how many things i was doing totally wrong and started to realize how foolish it was to think i could figure all of the tech stuff without having someone show me properly. and as far as sterile?....im lucky i didn't kill someone! granted there are some talented people out there who could probably fumble around aimlessly long enough to figure out ho to do an average tattoo. but that in no way will ever replace learning proper safe techniques from a respected proven artist in the industry. i spent 16 months UNLEARNING bad habits and piss poor technique and i wish i had just put the time in in the first place to do the right thing and pay my dues. don't get me wrong im still no a-list artist but im bustin my ass to get there and my customers are leavin happy. bottom line if your art is up to par and you look hard enough and show dedication then you'll find a good mentor just don't expect it to happen overnight just cuz you want it to. and to be honest its alot less work and frustration to do things the right way and pay your dues than it is to stumble blindly through it and make alot of bad tattoos in the process. thats my two cents


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Posted by davey from IP: 71.2.40.190 on 08/09/07
nj

omg im a TWEEKER!! And all this time i thought i was an italian/russian/american. Im also pissed i just now realized im fuckin the counter girl. i bet she is too HAHAHAHA! Im gonna tell the boss tomorrow i think we should let the apprentice go.

You sir, are very silly, or at least look that way because you are so ill informed. Chill out, take off the cap locks, and remember this is a message board. Your going to have a heart attack


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Posted by widdy from IP: 90.198.59.30 on 08/16/07
uk

I would check your fuse if its not that the coils gone on your gun.
I have just started myself and its hard to get help as they think your going to take trade away from them. If you can find a good tattoo artist they will help you at a blink of an eye lid and they will also say if your good or pants at it.
The ones that are no help are the money grabbers that are pretty pants them self. I have done about 200 hours on pig skin (hard to get but have a friend that has a farm) Taken photos of my work to my local artist and he was impressed. He said another 200 hours and I can start helping out in the shop as I have only done tribal and cartoon designs and he wants to teach me more detailed tattoo art so guess I was lucky to find a none money grabber.
But I would like to say please do not tattoo your self or friends as there is more to skin art than ink and needles look up skin diagrams and tattoo sites for more help there are couple of UK sites but I have found the USA sites the most helpful.
Kind Regards
Widdy


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Posted by nervious charlie from IP: 216.221.192.227 on 08/25/07
lou ,ky

hey it is important that if you buy something and think you can just use it.wrong i did the same thing,but i did it to my self at a young age with a home made gun,then as the years went buy i baught a gun and so forth,it s very hard to get a apprentaceship and rilly no one want to let you in to take their money it fucked up but thats just it it all comes down to how much money you got and who you know,well i guess who likes you anyway,im in thw hip hop seen as well as the rock and tattoo artists if your not like them you are sacrewed before you get in the door anyway.so you do rilly need an apprentaceship but if your gonna do them anyway be very clean and safe ,but dont let it get you down and stich to tattooing yourself or tattoo skins. good luck your rilly gonna need it!!


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Posted by joshw from IP: 208.125.54.67 on 08/28/07
syracuse ny

First of all, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Im sure you all had questions when you first started off. Why can you all get off your high horse and help a fellow artist out who wants to learn how to tattoo. How the fuck would you like it if when you wanted to learn, someone straight up ripped into you. You were there once too assholes so fuck off, if you dont want to help then shut the fuck up. Its people like you who make us real tattoo artists and the community have a bad reputation for being snobby and pretentious assholes. Help the guy out, he never said he was planning on using it on someone as soon as you told him how to work it, what if he wanted to practice on some practice skin or something? Deflate your ego and try being a decent human being.
Fuckers


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Posted by Andreea from IP: 74.101.8.102 on 09/21/07
Ottawa

I think most of the people on here are arogant and ignorant...as most people don't seem to know or understand that many big name tattoo artists out there learned the trade on their own...like Chris Garver for example! And look at him now, hes considered among the world's best artists! I honestly believe that buying a tattoo kit without knowing anything about tattooing is a mistake though. And I do sympathise with alot of people's concerns about that. If you can't adjust a tattoo machine then its gonna be even harder to understand how to adjust the tubes and even more important...the needles so you don't go too deep and cause skin damage and bruising, or not go deep enough and have the ink seep out when healing, or better yet, have the voltage not set properly and skip lines and make even more damage! And thats not even going into sterilization!!! These are all things you can learn when getting an apprenticeship, or if your lucky enough like me...having a close friend whos had 25 years of tattooing experience under his belt and is willing to show you the basics to get you started. I didn't go the "bullshit" alot of people seem to be complaining about when having an apprenticeship but if I didn't have this source to learn I would have gladly paid for an apprenticeship. But quite Honestly, that person would have never told me any tricks of the trade If my drawing skills didn't impress him and if he didn't think I had the potential to be a good artist! My best advice is build a portfolio with things you can draw and bring it to an artist who is willing to take on an apprentice and it might help out. Most people like to see that the person they are teaching is a good artist and has the determination to do the best they can, and you'll get more respect for that as well.


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Posted by lil inker from IP: 160.9.41.58 on 10/11/07
uk

yeah if you want to tattoo get yourself an apprentiship..pig skin or fake skin or grapefruits are good to practice on but they aint gonna get aids or ink poisoning..it is really important to know your depth and angle on the skin or you can cause real damage..its ok if your practicing but if you ever want to work on people you need an apprentiship there so much more to tattooing than sticking your needle in and hoping it will turn out well
practice on your pig skin draft up a portfolio and get to as many studios as you can..its the only way, tattooing is about reputation once thats fucked you wont get no where and other tattooists will make sure of that..its a hard buisness and everything has to be done 100% safely
i dread to think of some scratcher using a magnum on someone without knowing how to use them
i did my apprentiship whilst working full time in another job and bringing up 3 kids and forking out £5000 isnt easy
but to do it right you have to sacrifice a few things
if you do manage to get your gun set up and working..stick to pig skin untill you know what your doing
peace out


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Posted by MgeWho from IP: 75.58.103.173 on 10/11/07
Jefferson City, MO USA

I can say iv learned alot from listening to all you guys. As a person who is in a profession i understand that you must learn the ropes..and learn em good before you move onto real skin...as a paramedic..ive done my share of learning. But as a female, in my area it has been impossible to find someone to apprentice me! I learned alot from my brother in law, who passed away a few years back, so i wasnt able to get everything i needed to know. I want to buy a machine and all that, not to start inkin someone, but rather to learn how to set up my machine and all that comes wit that. I plan to practice on ALOT of fake skin before i move on to real skin. So as for all of you who've been doin this for a long time, its nice to have someone to lend you some advice....dont teach me, just advise me where to start, like what needles to start with for my piggy, what brands of ink (if that matters) websites to order supplies from...that kinda thing. Beleive me, i respect the art, and I know its important to gain the experience...but the advice would be nice to hear!


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Posted by crabcake from IP: 74.166.233.159 on 10/13/07
fl

cliffdawg. my art i throw away is probibly better then his best effort. just sayin ) hey i might as well start the brag fest too. ok now on a serious note. the industry is being flooded with half ass people who watched too mcuh miami ink. yes there are a few unique cases where a true artist decides they want to try out a machine, but those are few an far in between. an the mass flood of garbage has to be treated as such. if you nephew is one of the exceptional few to this rule he wont find any trouble getting apprenticed by someone. an if hes one of the mass flood miami ink crowd then he will just have to deal with asking questions on internet an getting bashed. i mean hes not even asking a complicated or personal prefrnece question. hes asking how do i make my machine go buzzzzz for crying out loud


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Posted by riggor from IP: 124.187.89.85 on 10/13/07
australia

I think all u big wig pro's should remember where u cum from?I've seen better scratchers than u pro's so keep u'r f-----ked useless opions 2 u'r self give a guy a brake b4 he does some harm,Pikin a small piece of u'r brains wont leave much left could b the problem??????????????????????


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Posted by crabcake from IP: 74.166.233.159 on 10/14/07
fl

hey, were not obligated to tell anybody how to tattoo. anybody that does harm on someone because they dont know what they're doing is there own fault. in no way is it anyone elses fault just cause they didnt tell him how. nothing in life thats worth haveing is easy to get. what your saying would be like me going to my boss saying, man ya know. you have so much damn money. an im broke as hell an well. whats it to you just to give me 5 grand? an my boss being like well yes, i could just give you 5 grand. but why should i do that? i earned that 5 grand an you didnt. maybe if you put forth as much hard work i have in my life youd have 5 grand too. an if you strive for it maybe you will get it but im not just going to give you 5 grand because i can


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Posted by ToddJansen@tmail.com from IP: 68.252.132.52 on 10/28/07
Detroit, MI

ok heres what i have to say. apprentiships are the best way to go. one guy said why pay for it when i can teach myself and learn for free. well heres why because, your way isnt alwasy the best/right way. yeah you might know what your doing but being influenced by other artists has a HUGE effect on what you can learn artisticly, not just having to do the actual tattoo. the only problem is getting an apprentiship does cost alot and while you working at the shop your typically not getting paid or if you are some people get paid 20 bones or something to help clean up or do something after hours. i dont know about your self but thats not enough money to pay my bills and put food on the table. since you do have a kit by best advice is to take your machines to a shop. and just ask questions. if you find someone that is nice enough and not a dick like the first couple asshats that replied to this they'll teach a couple cool things. thats basically what i did. i had a artist background already. i love drawing and i love all forms of art. i leanred how to tune my machines by having other friends who were tat artists coming to my house using my gear to tattoo me. showing me whats up. learnign about shading and everything else. and now ive been tattooing for about seven months with no apprentiship have never had an unsatisfied client. and i have been told that i have exceptional work by proffesional artists, yet still cant afford an apprentiship. basically my goal is to start a small portfolio and take to a shop and see if i cant get some sort of deal with an artist since i already have a good idea on what to do as far as line work shading color ect. and thats what i recomend to you. ask questions. get some practice skin to practice your line work and keeping a steady hand. i also practiced on my leg alot because this was something i took seriously. so go to some shops. ask questions. talk about a apprentiships and good luck man!


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Posted by John Doe from IP: 76.224.241.126 on 11/08/07
fallbrook, Ca. u.s.a.

just about every tattoo artist i've ever met has done some work that would be considered scratching at one time or another. i myself have been scratched in the past at tattoo parlors. get over your selves.


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Posted by veee from IP: 88.110.251.81 on 11/16/07
england

I Think that most of you are missing the point, where i live apprenticships are well almost non existant..so i decided to go get all my art qualifications 1st whch i now have quite a few then i went out looking for an apprenticeship no luch what so ever although i was told my work as exceptional! so i bourt my own kit..i read countless book i askd artists many question, BUT i would never dream of tattooing any1 yet or for a long time pigs skin/ practice skin/myself while still looking for an apprenticship..i dont see the harm in this it shows willing, and no one should get their dreams knocked down, because they cant for what ever reason do thaings they same way as others. to this guy i say good luck.


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Posted by Anti from IP: 71.72.153.44 on 11/23/07
Ohio USA

people like the jerks on here is exactly why we started http://www.diytattoo.com, site just went up but we have 2 proffessional tattoo artists who are willing to allow me to tape them on things like setup, shading etc, also we have available just about every instructional video/pdf etc made to date and will be providing our interpertation of such (as to not infringe on copyrights) we will be posting how to videos on every aspect of tattooing....come join us if your tired of people who are jerks...we are here to SHARE information not horde it...


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Posted by ThirstyD from IP: 70.145.217.219 on 11/25/07
ms

Wow! What a freindly bunch you Tattoo "ARTISTS" are. I have been tattooing for many years and started out with a jailhouse tattoo gun that an inmate showed me how to make when I was a guard. Of course I "scratched" a few friends early on and learned the hard way. But guess what, as I got better so did their cover ups! Learning to set up the machine and sanitation is the major mystery that needs to be learned. Most of you "ARTISTS" are just afraid someone else with a little real talent is gonna smoke your ass as soon as he or she gets his machine set up!


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Posted by erlich from IP: 65.54.155.54 on 11/26/07
sd

the paticular person that started this thread was a part timer he was in a shop of greed.the owner was not and is not a artist.but in there defense the owner has gained a ton of knowledge about the behind the scenes of tattoo.not sure if this person is still with him or not.its not about giving out secrets its about SAFETY. the owner has really cleaned up the shop and is being very sucesfull in making money off the college kids and he has some top notch artist working for him.machine tunning is a vital part of being a artist.


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Posted by TAT@2.com from IP: 71.54.71.252 on 12/13/07

http://www.diytattoo.com


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Posted by whatever from IP: 210.55.230.116 on 12/17/07

get off your high horses people...just because it took you years to learn in some painful apprentiship you think it's your right to make it hard for everyone else to learn???!!! Um..I think that's called bitter and twisted. The internet is here and its full of information for people who want it - and it's only going grow. Of course everyone needs to learn the basics of hygiene, skincare etc..thats a given, but come on...there are some really good artists out there that want to learn and may not have the opportunity to become an apprentice. It doesn't mean they're going to run down the street scratching every person they see.

Let's not forget hundreds of years ago masters were tattooing tataus and mokos with a sharp rock and some die from a plant. (ok, so some of them died from infection...)


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Posted by whatever from IP: 210.55.230.116 on 12/18/07

http://www.wonderhowto.com/style/tattoo/how-to-get-tatooing-tips-76811

check this out - it's really good.


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Posted by seanD from IP: 216.189.171.75 on 12/18/07
West Palm

Your mentor should guide you unless you are a screatcher


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Posted by Icanspell from IP: 76.173.197.97 on 12/18/07

A what?


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Posted by Icanspell from IP: 76.173.197.97 on 12/18/07

A what?


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Posted by mattboyrd from IP: 72.128.192.21 on 12/27/07
U.S.

What a bunch of fuckin primadonnas! A majority of you that answered the guys question are nothing but little bitches.
I bet that most of you who believe in the "secret society" aspect of tattooing couldn't put ink to skin without a stencil let alone do a stencil without tracing someone elses flash! How many of you have actually been educated in a formal art setting? Very few, I'm sure. How many of you actually understand the procedures necessary for proper sterilization of your equipment and workspace. It's fine to know the checklist but do you actually understand what it is that you are doing? Again, I'm sure very few of you do! Just because you could draw a kickass potleaf, dragon or guy from the Circle Jerks album cover and you "apprenticed" under someone else doesn't justify you being a bitch!
Do you know the pedigree of your "teacher"? Are you sure what you've learned is correct?
From what I've seen, the ones who act like you, are the ones I'd never have work on me nor would I recommend someone else to them to have work done. Go apply at one of the "... Ink" series shows shops on TLC. I hear they're looking for more drama queen bitches like you guys!


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Posted by smileyrich from IP: 76.232.52.252 on 01/01/08
los angeles

STOP! SUPPLIERS THAT WILL SELL TO "JUST ANYONE" DONT KNOW QUALITY AND JUST WANT A SUCKERS(YOUR) MONEY. THEY SEND YOU CRAP MACHINES THAT DONT WORK AND THEN LAUGH AT YOU WHEN YOU COMPLAIN. GET AN APPRENTISHIP. PERIOD. IT MIGHT BE HARD, BUT THATS HOW WE KNOW YOUR DOWN FOR YOUR SHIT. BE AWARE; IF A REAL TATTOIST FINDS OUT WHAT YOUR DOING AND WHERE YOU LIVE THEY JUST MIGHT BREAK YOUR HANDS AND TAKE YOUR SHIT AWAY FROM YOU.


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Posted by guapsnmn from IP: 75.128.51.220 on 01/18/08
Los Angeles

Don't listen to these assholes... Fucks like them give the Tat world a bad name. These fuckers think you're trying to be the next Picaso, but they failed to realize that ONE. we all started off with not knowing shit. TWO. apprenticeship is hard as shit to get. THREE. if you're new, how the fuck are you supposed to know which equipment to get AND FOUR. why the fuck would you buy $2000 dollars worth of shit if you're barely starting off. It might just end up being a hobby assholes, give the guy a break. Why the fuck do these assholes even care about the people that get scratched, I'm sure as hell that the scratch victims don't give a fuck about them. It amazes me how these fuckers go in here and talk shit to the less informed like there the fucking gods of the tattoo world. Listen assholes, real Pros don't waste thier time talking shit on forums and if they do go on forums they help instead of being assholes. Anyways, to answer your question, it can be many things. You might have bad coils, bad capacitor, contact points may be off. Tattoo machines are pretty simple. 2 coils a cap and a frame is pretty much it. All you need to do first is to get it started 1. Make sure the armerature bar and springs are properly placed. 2. Make sure that the plastic washers are in place and that they seperate the neccessary contacts from your coils to your frame. 3. Adjust the contact points. Once you get it started then you can play with it and tune. It takes a while to get it but with time, (which these assholes think you don't have any) you will get it. If fucks are so CONCERNED about people getting scratched or fucked up, why don't you try helping with advise instead of talking out of your asses, which most of you I can tell is doing. Most of you fucks probaly don't have a fucking clue about machines, fucking ex-con, butt-plugged homoes. You fuckers probably learned from your celly in cell-block H. You drilled him with a home made gun while he drilled your ass with his cock.


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Posted by rich from IP: 76.173.197.97 on 01/18/08

I can see youre talking to nostrildamus.


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Posted by cattdonovan@yahoo.com from IP: 72.94.113.210 on 01/21/08
pa

get an apprenticeship buddy, your gonna hurt someone! and by the way never call your tattoo equiptment a "kit" its like calling your mother a whore.


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Posted by BKitty from IP: 24.74.127.124 on 01/22/08
charlotte, n.c.

Oh my god. would you all chill the f*%k out. Who here knows what he plans on doing with his kit? Prob starting off by working on himself. Maybe he has no one around he can work under. Or maybe everyone around him is a sh#%ty tattoo artist. How else is he suppose to discover if its his true love or not. Get off your high horses, and loose some of the attitude. Not like you are all perfect artists.

*BKitty*


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Posted by hillbilly from IP: 76.246.32.248 on 01/25/08
sacramento. ca

dude most of the shit that has been said is true and false... i started over a year ago and im doing shit some artist would take 10 years to do its just the advice you will take.. its all trial... if i were you start on a pratice pad and learn your muchine (yes i know i cant spell)... from there just try different things like position of the muchine... when packing in ink try small circles...


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Posted by niggy from IP: 68.238.89.152 on 02/07/08
Syracuse, NY USA

OH MY GOD!!! First I gotta say that all you preaching the apprentice crap are all probably the asshole that is full of himself at the tattoo shop that makes you NOT want to get a professional tattoo because ALL tattoo shop guys think their the shit cause they work at a tattoo shop. Secondly, yeah let me pull $10,000.00 out of my ass so I can PAY a cocky tattoo shop guy to belittle while he teaches me to tattoo. Thirdly, I'll also wait the normal 2-3 years to get the apprenticeship. Also, I know self taught tattoo artist who are better then people who got apprenticeships. Do you think the first good tattoo in the world searched around for a cocky prick to beg for an apprenticeship? If you take the blood borne pathogen course and practice on grapefruits or that gross skin or even your leg you'll be fine. Make a portfolio once you get good enough to actually wanna show people and go from there.

The tattoo shop hating Nigster:)


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Posted by jess from IP: 151.201.7.130 on 02/07/08
zelie pa usa

niggy you have got a real bad attitude. tattoo artists are like everyone else some are assholes ,some are not. if you have such a big problem with them why are you on this site?


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Posted by Shit_Hawk from IP: 77.97.147.51 on 02/27/08
ENGLAND!

Well, for a start, how many of you were good at drawing before you became tattoo artists? Well did you go get an apprenticeship to do that? im also a musician, and i didnt need to get any lessons for that, and i've become a bass player in an acceptionally good band if 3000(+) people thought otherwise. People who are saying, you shouldnt have a tattoo "kit" at all unless you get an apprentiship are people who dont have the common sense to work things out for themselves. i've been tattooing for years, i opened my own shop, i've made myself a living from doing so. And you know how i got to where i am? i worked it all out for myself. fuck all those snobby pricks who could afford an aprenticeship. i do apprenticeships for free. its not a way to make money, it called being a good teacher! you dont get charged to be tought maths do you? NO! So dont be a set of bastards, and answer the mans question. listen freind, if you want to know how to sort all your machines out and all that shit, theres nothing that the internet cant teach you. everyone should know that. good for you, you're about to enter the best lifestyle in the world.
Nice one. AMEN


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Posted by livewrongprojects from IP: 167.1.146.100 on 03/02/08
VERO BCH FL

study the craft man. apprenticeship with a good tattoo artist is hard to find and some artists might even ask for a fee which not all can afford. get a machine and study how it works. learn how to tune it. every tattoo machine has a different feel.learn the process of equipment sterilization and sanitation and tattoo aftercare. there are no shortcuts bro, try to ink some melons or fake skin, be comfortable with your machine first before you ink real skin. the forum is created to help budding tattoo artists not insult them or make them feel low. dont mind them man filert the ones that you think works for you. remember if it doesnt feel right then most likely its not right. search the net for tips and tricks


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Posted by kid kerosine from IP: 86.128.56.100 on 03/09/08
all over

dont listen to these muppets i've been tattooing for years and in nearly every town i set up a new studio i had some tit come round and threaten that i must be stupid to set up in thier area sometimes with violence tattooist can be the most arrogant fucking idiots on the planet and always get complacent when they think somebody might be treading on thier toes i had one answer my door is always open come in for a coffee but if you're gonna come here and threaten me fuck off and dont come here again. come on guys help the newbies there is enough work for us all its becoming bigger and remember you started once and had to ask all the questions. its becoming a big industry and you can even go to college to learn where it only used to be for bikers rockers and such like at one point but now alland thier dogs are doing it now so lets just help these people and stop being ass holes at least they have the nerve to ask instead of going off and wrecking people i know well set up tattooists who are still shit and they have been trained come on now you should be glad more people are excepting it and not treating us like outlaws anymore so stop whinging and help out. just because some of us paid out the nose to train by rip off fucking pre maddonnas doesnt mean to say we have to be the same iwill be franchising soon and training people for free i got help once from one of the best in the world when i was a nardy and i didint pay the earth.


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Posted by Tat2nit from IP: 76.8.201.13 on 03/11/08
Utah

I would like to reply to all the ignorant comments about wasted money ,throw your kit away,give up. Not every one has the opportunity to do an apprenticeship I how ever am lucky enough to have got one. Knowledge is everything no one in here can tell me the first Tattoo they did on them self was perfect and if they say it is they are lying. instead of just telling people off you should help by educating them on the basics first maybe sterile procedures them helping them understand the effects of all they do instead
of dissing them the people are going to Tattoo with or without your help and without a little knowledge on there side they could seriously injure some one so next time someone asks for help remind them there are serious health risk and not to F off as for Tattoo machine not every Tattoo artist knows how to tune a machine properly anyway. A lot of artists don't even own a Quality power supply so there $400 machine doesn't even run any better than a kit. Someone posted a great Idea for the beginner Take a health class offered by the state they are cheap and it may save someones life.
The internet was created for useful knowledge if you have none maybe you should stay off it!!!!!


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Posted by MHBADASS from IP: 66.25.176.244 on 03/15/08
Austin, TX

Dude don't let anyone talk shit. Artists' worst enemy is someone better than them. I must agree with some of the things these guys have advised. The health issues are damn right serious and that you must listen. I learned by asking where and who do I talk to. I took a class that was pretty cheap and learned a hell of a lot and still learning shit. I taught myself to tattoo. Like I said, I just asked and watched and yes even went to the internet. Some guys are probably talking shit right now. I gathered info from different artist to developed my own style. But I have a technique I developed on my own. I am always asked by old school artist how I get certain effects. I am better than most that have been tattooing for years. I have been tattooing since 96 and still learning new things. Wether it is for my machine or just in my art work. I have designed and built my own machines but learned on my own. Trial and error is the best way to learn your machine. Go to any tatt shop and LISTEN and WATCH!!! When I say listen. I mean to their machines!
They are just like any machine or intrument. It is all about the rythem and tune you hear.
When I first started. I too bought a kit, but I already been on several magazines for my artwork with airbrushing and pencil portraits. So if you poses any other art skill then take your time and develop your skill on pigskin. Better safe than sorry. You don't wanna get your ass kicked for giving someone hepetites. You got to start on the bottom to get to the top.
Remember, some artist are afraid of you. Because you may be a threat to them one day. I always say, If I can teach someone what I know. Then I only have a replica of myself with my skills. In turn will push me to be better than what I was.
So go for it, man. Learn what you can and don't pickup fucked up habits! Care about your work and not the money! Just don't fuck yourself over though. Atleast get PAID!
GOODLUCK!


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Posted by lmao at the brilliant tattoo jerkies from IP: 76.193.143.142 on 03/30/08
usa

i guess it would be safe to say that most of the morons who post here have no clue what power the internet holds. id also like to say that my 6 yr old girl could do better work than most of them. and she knows how to spell correctly.
you can find anything and everything you want to find on the internet
if your education level exceeds your pathetic ability to insult people who try to learn your little hobby. i almost sure that if your little kit machine makes noise and pushes ink into the skin, then its not as bad as they attempt to make it sound. the whole object of this so called art is to insert ink into the skin. seek out the best LMAO
if your on this forum bragging about how you wrap your own coils , or how good you are , or how long you have been in the business, then its obvious that your a nobody. dude wraps coils so well , seems like the smart thing to do is make machines and coils and become a multi million dollar man selling the "ultimate tattoo" gun instead of explaining to a bunch of nobody's on the forum that he is as good as he claims to be, one thing you cant claim to be is smart. that became obvious when you said your a tattoo artist.
who are you kidding , i cant recall any tattoo artists being rich, and the net has millions of scratchers everywhere just google tattoo....
there are probably only 30 "real tattoo gods" in the entire universe and you can bet that they dont have time to talk crap to someone who asks a simple question about tuning a gun on a forum.
besides that , the problem isnt that he bought a p.o.s. gun , and he cant get it to run , the real issue is that all tattoo guns are junk and none of you losers know how to tune them. thats why you have to belittle someone else.
ill also say the reason why i stated that all guns are garbage , is because if i purchased a gun from a mfg. the piece of junk should run correctly right out of the box. and wouldnt need to be tuned.

im not a tattoo artist and i cannot wrap my own coils (well i could if i wanted to ) but i do know that i am an artist and if i really wanted to ( within 15 minutes ) i could be scratchin up so many customers and slingin so much ink that your boss would fire your pathetic ass and give me your chair in his shop. sad thing is that it isnt that amusing , and its not my niche.
but if someone asked me a simple question about a tattoo gun ,
at least i would offer the guy some good advice that he could use or no advice at all.
the dude should have been offered tips and advice on setup and pathogens and anything else that is MUST need to know info if your really an artist and you care for your trade like you say you do, then guide him along the correct path and stop downing the guy for trying JUST MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID and somewhere in the back of my mind , where you guys stated that scratchers cause your trade to suffer from regulations and crackdowns.......wouldnt it make sense to help others to protect yourself from the regulations, and outbreaks by teaching them ?
and the apprentice bull is another joke , right?
some of the best of the best in the world (at their trades ) learned on their own and didnt train under anyone , because they invented the process of their trades .


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.177.98.105 on 03/30/08
CT.

You are so very ignorant in so many ways that it's hard to respond to you seriously. You're arrogant too. What a nice combo!

Really, with such glowing attributes, you're really going to sit there and slam the tattoo artist mentality?

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't. And you really shouldn't act like you're above or better than the thing you are so obviously misinformed about.

Damn, you said some idiotic things. haha


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Posted by Tiggy from IP: 72.198.4.105 on 04/03/08
Oklahoma City,OK

Okay,I have been doing tattoo's for about a year now I have a small but good portfolio of my work,I am self taught as well and have high hopes of getting an apprenticeship asap-Anyways I have a question aha but with all these rants I am quite nervous to ask but I will anyways-One day I was tuning my machine and thought hm am I doing this exactly right?! I was just wondering how do you know it is tuned right exactly? e-mail me or I.M me.I swear I am not completely dense and I do know what I am doing thus far.
tiggy_gore@yahoo.com.Thanks.


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Posted by Tiggy from IP: 72.198.4.105 on 04/03/08
Oklahoma City,OK

lmao guy,I totally agree but then again you did say some pretty ronchie things that just sounded stupid. But none the less you are pretty right I was intimidated to ask a simple question as well over all the asshole slander going on. And I couldn't agree more with you about the people on here.
I would have atleast helped insted of "oh your fucking stupid blah blah " Wtf is that? Stuck up your own ass much?


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Posted by shawnplantz@hotmail.com from IP: 68.83.43.246 on 04/04/08

ok some people are just down wright mean or aragont look i do agree on the scrachter part though go to a shop and get your app but allso do some of your own stuff on practice skin or your self tinker around whit your equp you'll finger it out but practice makes perfect i alone have'nt had an app but have been self tought staretd whit a home made gun and worked my way up dvd's and doing some littel tats on my self but hay you got the equp thats one step closer don't be dicoraged buy negative people there are artist out that don't like the compation the think that there work is the shit but every tat artist makes his or her mistakes
keep the ink flowing


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Posted by jay from IP: 81.152.193.214 on 05/15/08
london

All this snobbery and closed shop really gets on my nerves. I personally am a graphic designer of 18+ years I started out in the print due to the same snobbery of designers and worked my way up eventually to become a designer in the number 1 design consultancey globaly realising that I was a lot better than most of my peers who had put me down in the past once I had reached my goal.

I have recently bought 2 guns I have no idea how to set them up etc but you know what I will find out because

A) I have bought good quality kit that wasn't cheap so am determined not to waste my hard earned cash

B) I have always wanted to do tattooing and yes Miami ink etc has prompted me to go for it finally.

C) I see tattooing as a long term career after my design career ends commercially, as you don't see many successful designers working in the industry after 40 I have 4 years left possibly so time to change tact.

Although I appreciate the industry trying to protect itself from idiots from just picking up a tattoo gun and scarring, spreading diseases and having no clue how to do the job I feel that their are 2 camps. The first camp is the professionals who generally want to self regulate which is commendable but ignore, discourage and can be down right rude to genuine people who wish to join the trade. The other camp are artists that are ok at what they do but quite frankly not really inspirational who are scared that they will be shown up for there lack of artistic prowess and therefore obstruct people from entering the industry.

There is also an element of old school thinking i.e you have to do things the old fashioned way or its not cool, hard core or rock 'n roll. Well bollocks to that for tattooing to continue with its popularity it has to evolve. That dosn't mean that it should be allowed to be watered down but means people should not stay stuck in tradition but rather aspire to improve on whats past

Personally I am aiming to learn how to use the equipment on myself and fake skin pigs ears etc, take a hygene course at the local college and then and only then once I am happy I can use the equipment move on to friends and family. If I am any good at it after that I will get my licence and shop and start it full time.

My reason for not taking an apprentership is that I have a big mortgage I couldn't afford to work in a studio learning the trade I simply have to work all the hours god sends in the week to achieve that monthly payment. My tattoo artist would require a 5 day week from me plus £5k and it simply isn't possible as much as I would want to do it.

So once again I have to do things the hard way in life but i'm used to it.

Unless anyone can offer me an apprentership weekends only. I am going to achieve what I set out to do regardless of the snobbery of the industry. It can be done without an apprentership its just harder and if you use your common sense have artistic talent and are respectful of your health and the clients and aim to improve your work every time you put a mark down I don't think you can go wrong.

I don't wish to upset or annoy any of the great talents that are probably reading this I have nothing than repect for genuine talent but I think the industry MUST come up with a better solution than apprentership for us older career changers or mature students as we are so politically correctly called.


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Posted by inkslinger from IP: 68.84.66.89 on 05/15/08
york,pa 17404

hey man dont listen to these dumb people ill be more then happy to help you and who ever is gonna let you tattoo them no that there is a 90% chance you will mess them up but thats called people supporting you in wanting to persue art and even an apprentice ship your still gonna mess someone up either way your first tattoo is your first tattoo just make sure you start with a lite hand that way there no room for scarring your lines might not be the straightest but you can always fix lines ones you connect with your own style okay first getting a kit isnt a bad idea but its not a good one but i understand you dont want to spend 500.00 on something you may not be good at but the way the tattoo turns out is is gonna mostly be you not your gun ive seen award winning jailhouse tattoos you think they had a 500.00 gun no they were good and used common sense if you dont go to deep you wont scar if you stretch the skinand you can follow a straight line you out line will be fine now you do want a seperate gun for shading just so you dont have to tune it every time use the nickle and dime rule for your gun i hope its not plastic lol any way try adjusting your contact screw while adjusting your power supply because if theres not enough or to much current depending on your coil wraps etc.... it wont run do you have a notched power supply or does it float or is it digital make sure you tattoo under flouresent lighting so thers no shadow then start by lightly going over your line then wipe then do it untill you get the right feel for pressure if you dont have a clave just get everything blister packaged needles and tubes we dont wan t anyone catching hep or hiv anyway if you have drive and dedication you can accomplish anything do you think sailor jerry had an apprenticeship f no you can be anything and do anything and i hope for this sites sake you become one of the next greats so people stop hating on this generation just because there worried that new good artists are gonna make there tattoos look like garbage just post all your gun info and ill respond if you havent already figured it out if you still even want to be an artist after all these degrating noones put you down f them do what you want


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Posted by inkslinger from IP: 68.84.66.89 on 05/15/08
york,pa 17404

hey man dont listen to these dumb people ill be more then happy to help you and who ever is gonna let you tattoo them no that there is a 90% chance you will mess them up but thats called people supporting you in wanting to persue art and even an apprentice ship your still gonna mess someone up either way your first tattoo is your first tattoo just make sure you start with a lite hand that way there no room for scarring your lines might not be the straightest but you can always fix lines ones you connect with your own style okay first getting a kit isnt a bad idea but its not a good one but i understand you dont want to spend 500.00 on something you may not be good at but the way the tattoo turns out is is gonna mostly be you not your gun ive seen award winning jailhouse tattoos you think they had a 500.00 gun no they were good and used common sense if you dont go to deep you wont scar if you stretch the skinand you can follow a straight line you out line will be fine now you do want a seperate gun for shading just so you dont have to tune it every time use the nickle and dime rule for your gun i hope its not plastic lol any way try adjusting your contact screw while adjusting your power supply because if theres not enough or to much current depending on your coil wraps etc.... it wont run do you have a notched power supply or does it float or is it digital make sure you tattoo under flouresent lighting so thers no shadow then start by lightly going over your line then wipe then do it untill you get the right feel for pressure if you dont have a clave just get everything blister packaged needles and tubes we dont wan t anyone catching hep or hiv anyway if you have drive and dedication you can accomplish anything do you think sailor jerry had an apprenticeship f no you can be anything and do anything and i hope for this sites sake you become one of the next greats so people stop hating on this generation just because there worried that new good artists are gonna make there tattoos look like garbage just post all your gun info and ill respond if you havent already figured it out if you still even want to be an artist after all these degrating noones put you down f them do what you want


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Posted by j.farr@twosmokingbarrels.co.uk from IP: 81.152.193.214 on 05/15/08
london

some people may be detered by the negativity but not me fella thanks for you support I will mail you the details of my equipment asap


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Posted by inkfuq from IP: 65.34.146.200 on 05/22/08

the haters are just mad that they were told to do the same thing and get an apprenticeship and wasted time and learned they could have bought a fucking kit and learned from the internet....thats how my shop was started and we have a HUGE customer base. there's practice skin assholes..who's to say he doesnt have willing friends anyways to help him out..they know theyll be gettin the ink hoooook up when he does get a little better. rock on kid


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Posted by Teejayus from IP: 210.87.42.40 on 06/08/08
Melbourne Australia

Hello.
I walked into a shop that was allways busy and recieved a piece of crap tattoo. It was bad. The artists were bad and it was just a nightmare.
So i got online and bought a kit. The kit was bloody great. The machine was crap but it taught me heaps about how they work and got me inking.
Naturally before i even thought about inking i studied my anus off researching BBP and infection control. If you stay determined you will find all the information you need on staying clean and safe. So keep researching untill you are running out of new things to learn about BBP.
I asked as many tattooists as possible for an apprentic/work experience/ even booking and paying for sit down chat time with a tattooist. No joy from them except for "keep looking".
Don't worry about people saying "you will destroy peoples skin and poison them and give them aids...and the sky will collapse and we will all be out of work!!"
After you have inked your legs and realised your kit machine is crap, start hunting/saving for a decent machine. I personally use spaulding-rogers machines as they are top notch. You will notice things like decent capacitors and contact points that fit perfectly and heaps of other things that contribute to a good machine. Now use your kit machine to pull apart and put back together blindfolded in a storm drunk out of your eyeballs on cheap rum (like Aussie sailors do).
Here is what i have learned from books dvd's and listening to tattooists. Naturally they are all different slightly.
Set up your machine with tube and needle and rubber bands. I use three bands myself.

Turn your power supply to 8 volts and loosen your contact screw until the machine stops. Then looking at the armature bar nipple tighten your contact screw until she starts humming. Your looking for the nipple making a figure 8 blur. Also note how much and when the contact points spark. Some say you should tighten your screw until it sparks. Some say you should have a nice figure 8 nipple action. I personally listen and look for a figure 8. You will see that the smaller the curves of the 8 become the faster your machine is humming (which i reckon will impact how fast you scribe when tatting).

Adjust your power to reduce splutter or surges of power that will mess up your lines. Going above 10 or 11 is pretty extreme but will depend on bands and machine. That is a big one. you wanna avoid your machine surging or spluttering at all costs. So mess around until you are convinced it is humming. You will notice slight differences in youre lines. Sure they will be wobbly but look for sighns that the machine is surging and dumping little extra bit of ink...(hard to explain what i mean...sorry)

You should feel a surge of excitement when you have it dialled.
Once again. STUDY ALL YOU CAN ABOUT INFECTION CONTROL AND SAFETY.

Once you have a good idea of what is the safest (for example an operating room of a hospital), go to your local shops and observe. You will notice things that will boggle you. Like touching uncovered power packs or contact screws, clipcords uncovered being dragged accross tattooed skin and the like. Then ask yourself honestly..."Is that safe/sterile?"

It really is trial and error. Your initial tats on your friends and family are going to be crap. Be honest with them and yourself. Deal with it and crack on. There are how to DVD's and stuff that can show you good ways to tat. But the machine thing is all you!

Practice skin and research is the go. Don't touch pig skin as it's dirty and yuk!
Keep it unreal


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Posted by Teejayus from IP: 210.87.42.40 on 06/08/08
Melbourne Australia

Hello.
I walked into a shop that was allways busy and recieved a piece of crap tattoo. It was bad. The artists were bad and it was just a nightmare.
So i got online and bought a kit. The kit was bloody great. The machine was crap but it taught me heaps about how they work and got me inking.
Naturally before i even thought about inking i studied my anus off researching BBP and infection control. If you stay determined you will find all the information you need on staying clean and safe. So keep researching untill you are running out of new things to learn about BBP.
I asked as many tattooists as possible for an apprentic/work experience/ even booking and paying for sit down chat time with a tattooist. No joy from them except for "keep looking".
Don't worry about people saying "you will destroy peoples skin and poison them and give them aids...and the sky will collapse and we will all be out of work!!"
After you have inked your legs and realised your kit machine is crap, start hunting/saving for a decent machine. I personally use spaulding-rogers machines as they are top notch. You will notice things like decent capacitors and contact points that fit perfectly and heaps of other things that contribute to a good machine. Now use your kit machine to pull apart and put back together blindfolded in a storm drunk out of your eyeballs on cheap rum (like Aussie sailors do).
Here is what i have learned from books dvd's and listening to tattooists. Naturally they are all different slightly.
Set up your machine with tube and needle and rubber bands. I use three bands myself.

Turn your power supply to 8 volts and loosen your contact screw until the machine stops. Then looking at the armature bar nipple tighten your contact screw until she starts humming. Your looking for the nipple making a figure 8 blur. Also note how much and when the contact points spark. Some say you should tighten your screw until it sparks. Some say you should have a nice figure 8 nipple action. I personally listen and look for a figure 8. You will see that the smaller the curves of the 8 become the faster your machine is humming (which i reckon will impact how fast you scribe when tatting).

Adjust your power to reduce splutter or surges of power that will mess up your lines. Going above 10 or 11 is pretty extreme but will depend on bands and machine. That is a big one. you wanna avoid your machine surging or spluttering at all costs. So mess around until you are convinced it is humming. You will notice slight differences in youre lines. Sure they will be wobbly but look for sighns that the machine is surging and dumping little extra bit of ink...(hard to explain what i mean...sorry)

You should feel a surge of excitement when you have it dialled.
Once again. STUDY ALL YOU CAN ABOUT INFECTION CONTROL AND SAFETY.

Once you have a good idea of what is the safest (for example an operating room of a hospital), go to your local shops and observe. You will notice things that will boggle you. Like touching uncovered power packs or contact screws, clipcords uncovered being dragged accross tattooed skin and the like. Then ask yourself honestly..."Is that safe/sterile?"

It really is trial and error. Your initial tats on your friends and family are going to be crap. Be honest with them and yourself. Deal with it and crack on. There are how to DVD's and stuff that can show you good ways to tat. But the machine thing is all you!

Practice skin and research is the go. Don't touch pig skin as it's dirty and yuk!
Keep it unreal


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Posted by ChuckFu from IP: 66.245.121.202 on 06/19/08
Lewisburg, Tennessee, USA

This was said a few posts ago but how do you all know he isnt inking a grape fruit or sudo skin. Dont be so damn quick to assume everyone is a scratcher. And I am willing to bet that at least one of the High and Mighty gods of the ink here have not always been on the up and up. At least he isnt asking what is the best motor to use for building a prison gun or even worse what guitar string does he need for a needle. Dont be so rude and harsh and assume everyone is out drilling skin. Cut the kid some slack


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Posted by Jerms from IP: 63.172.199.130 on 07/01/08
Phoenix AZ

A really good magazine to learn your machines and the technical part of tattooing is MachineGun Magazine from Eikon (http://www.machinegunmagazine.com/). This will give you a full run down of the machines, tuning them, your power supply, making your own needles, and everything in between. You can order these directly from the manufacturer for like $6 an issue. When I started these magazines helped me out tremendously to understand the machines and how to tune them. My teacher gave me 1 which I looked at and immediately started tracking down past issues. They are awesome!

Don’t let these haters detour you from learning. I do think being an apprentice is the way to go just make sure you know the artist who is going to be training you. This will help minimize the trial and error on actual skin.

PEACE
~JERMS


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Posted by Jerms from IP: 63.172.199.130 on 07/01/08
Phoenix AZ

A really good magazine to learn your machines and the technical part of tattooing is MachineGun Magazine from Eikon (http://www.machinegunmagazine.com/). This will give you a full run down of the machines, tuning them, your power supply, making your own needles, and everything in between. You can order these directly from the manufacturer for like $6 an issue. When I started these magazines helped me out tremendously to understand the machines and how to tune them. My teacher gave me 1 which I looked at and immediately started tracking down past issues. They are awesome!

Don’t let these haters detour you from learning. I do think being an apprentice is the way to go just make sure you know the artist who is going to be training you. This will help minimize the trial and error on actual skin.

PEACE
~JERMS


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Posted by Jerms from IP: 63.172.199.130 on 07/01/08
Phoenix AZ

A really good magazine to learn your machines and the technical part of tattooing is MachineGun Magazine from Eikon (http://www.machinegunmagazine.com/). This will give you a full run down of the machines, tuning them, your power supply, making your own needles, and everything in between. You can order these directly from the manufacturer for like $6 an issue. When I started these magazines helped me out tremendously to understand the machines and how to tune them. My teacher gave me 1 which I looked at and immediately started tracking down past issues. They are awesome!

Don’t let these haters detour you from learning. I do think being an apprentice is the way to go just make sure you know the artist who is going to be training you. This will help minimize the trial and error on actual skin.

PEACE
~JERMS


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Posted by Venice Tattoo from IP: 207.200.116.69 on 07/08/08
Venice Beach, CA.

I bought a tattoo machine kit off ebay last year, and I'm now a professional tattoo artist at Venice Beach, California.


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Posted by blue collar from IP: 71.166.38.233 on 07/14/08
edgewater, md, usa

I think you need to have some kind of an idea how to set up a machine before you can attempt it. It's difficult to do without showing someone hands on how to do this. If you've been tattooed enough you should at least have some kind of a clue. I've got a lot of tattoos by a lot of well known artists around the country. I've been to a shit load of conventions. I've watched and I've asked a lot of questions. My suggestion is first get tattooed (a lot). You'll learn a lot about tattooing this way. You'll get a relationship with your artist this way. Start asking questions and watching what he does. Do a lot of tracing in your spare time. Tattoo yourself before you tattoo anyone else. Used pre-steralized needles and tubes if you don't have an autoclave. There is a lot to tattooing besides just tattooing. There is an awesome history that goes along with it. Bowery Stan was 12 when his old man made him pick up a machine and start tattooing sailors. He's still going strong today 64 years later. I know this because he tattooed me about a year ago and he shared this with me. I wish more artist were willing to share knowledge of the art. I understand also a lot of people come in who are not sincere in their desire to learn about tattooing. They just want to be the cool guy who works at a tattoo shop. Those assholes get old.


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Posted by wheeler333 from IP: 69.218.228.71 on 07/16/08
columbus ohio usa

ive been tattooing for 13 years and still can get the guns out of wack! so dont feel bad trial and error will prevale.


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Posted by DarkSyde from IP: 69.14.164.92 on 08/05/08
Detroit, MI

What a bunch of High-and-Mighty a-holes on this site. Do any of you morons preaching "Apprenticeship" realize what that means? It means go and learn from people who already do it. The only thing different about giving advice over the internet is the "go" part (assuming you reference reputable material)...except all the holier-than-thou retards who fail to acknowledge some key facts:

1. You morons learned somewhere. He's asking the same. Help him, or be a jerk. No third choice available here.

2. Some mechanically inclined, creatively minded people have realized dreams of professional tattooing entirely without help from others. Sorry you weren't creative or ingenious enough to pull it off yourself without an "Apprenticeship". I only capitalize that word to show the proper reverent respect for the apparently Holy art of tattooing, in which only the Boys Club Members are allowed to tattoo. Which brings me to...

3. SCRATCHERS? That's the only word that you morons capitalize even more than "Apprenticeship". Not everybody fucks someone else up during the learning process; I have LOTS of reachable skin, and I learned a great deal before ever touching someone else.

4. Nice spelling, morons. I've never seen such atrocious grammar from adults. Not even chat-txt shortcuts, just straight-up stupidity; I wouldn't take advice from these mental midgets on waxing my car, let alone tattooing.


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Posted by DarkSyde from IP: 69.14.164.92 on 08/05/08
Detroit, MI

What a bunch of High-and-Mighty a-holes on this site. Do any of you morons preaching "Apprenticeship" realize what that means? It means go and learn from people who already do it. The only thing different about giving advice over the internet is the "go" part (assuming you reference reputable material)...except all the holier-than-thou retards who fail to acknowledge some key facts:

1. You morons learned somewhere. He's asking the same. Help him, or be a jerk. No third choice available here.

2. Some mechanically inclined, creatively minded people have realized dreams of professional tattooing entirely without help from others. Sorry you weren't creative or ingenious enough to pull it off yourself without an "Apprenticeship". I only capitalize that word to show the proper reverent respect for the apparently Holy art of tattooing, in which only the Boys Club Members are allowed to tattoo. Which brings me to...

3. SCRATCHERS? That's the only word that you morons capitalize even more than "Apprenticeship". Not everybody fucks someone else up during the learning process; I have LOTS of reachable skin, and I learned a great deal before ever touching someone else.

4. Nice spelling, morons. I've never seen such atrocious grammar from adults. Not even chat-txt shortcuts, just straight-up stupidity; I wouldn't take advice from these mental midgets on waxing my car, let alone tattooing.


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Posted by teetee from IP: 66.74.95.141 on 08/06/08

couldn't agree more.


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Posted by fuck you from IP: 69.118.175.200 on 09/13/08
ct

i started out with a kit and just payed attention to what i was doing and used madacide and ended up working in a very known shop and never apprenticed at all

you have to be in it to win,theres only so much somone else can show you so basically fuck these jackoffs

most of them live in there mothers basment and sit on these forums and knock other people because there inscure about there dick size


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Posted by fuck you from IP: 69.118.175.200 on 09/13/08
ct

i started out with a kit and just payed attention to what i was doing and used madacide and ended up working in a very known shop and never apprenticed at all

you have to be in it to win,theres only so much somone else can show you so basically fuck these jackoffs

most of them live in there mothers basment and sit on these forums and knock other people because there inscure about there dick size


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Posted by Tatoobydoo from IP: 68.54.56.25 on 09/20/08
FL

In no situation is it okay to learn tattooing in any environment other than a formal apprenticeship in a tattoo studio. Do you realize how much of an offense that is? And i don't mean just to tattooists. In FL, if you're convicted of tattooing outside of a licensed shop, they'll put you in jail for up to 60 days, slap you with a fine, confiscate all your equiptment, and can even seize the premises where the crime was commited. that means they can take your house if you're tattooing out of it.

Theres lots of people who have fought hard to make sure tattooing is kept where it can be regulated, for the safety of the public and of tattoo artists.


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Posted by BigDaddy from IP: 98.217.77.167 on 09/22/08
Boston,MA,

Most tattoo artists I have met and asked for help are untalented pussbags who cant draw a straight line, they are good at tattooing cause they sucked some other faggy lil peirced idiot off in their "I was beaten up in highschool club" clique. No one has giving me a shot in 2 years so guess what dickheads I had to do it on my own and yes i have fucked some people up but i am getting better already ON MY OWN because when you fagget culture club freaks out there saw how i draw u got scared and did not want to show me how to do it cause i would end up smoking ur ass, and yes I bought a kit WHILE I WAS IN BAGHDAD U FUCKIN LITTLE PUNKS, so i earned my right to do what the fuck i want bitches


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Posted by Doctor John from IP: 69.209.130.226 on 09/23/08
Fraser,Mi

Posted by BigDaddy from IP: 98.217.77.167 on 09/22/08
Boston,MA,

Most tattoo artists I have met and asked for help are untalented pussbags who cant draw a straight line, they are good at tattooing cause they sucked some other faggy lil peirced idiot off in their "I was beaten up in highschool club" clique. No one has giving me a shot in 2 years so guess what dickheads I had to do it on my own and yes i have fucked some people up but i am getting better already ON MY OWN because when you fagget culture club freaks out there saw how i draw u got scared and did not want to show me how to do it cause i would end up smoking ur ass, and yes I bought a kit WHILE I WAS IN BAGHDAD U FUCKIN LITTLE PUNKS, so i earned my right to do what the fuck i want bitches

So you were in Baghdad, props for that but on the other hand, so fucking what and where does THAT have anything to do with it. I'm a Nam vet who did apprentice, after I got back so all that hateful shit don't impress me one cunt hair. Post some of your work and post some pics of your work area, THAT might impress someone, your ignorant rant doesn't.


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Posted by s.corona from IP: 67.164.34.94 on 10/31/08

ha! you know what makes me laugh so fucking much? you stupid assholes who think your shit doesnt stink cuz you were taught on professional guns...do you know how stuck up you shit holes are? i guess not because you wouldnt act holier than thou, huh? get a life, so you can follow a line, big fuckin deal. learn how to tattoo for real instead of following a paint by number preschool coloring board and telling everbody to throw their shit away. reality check: you are not special because you can shade with the appropriated needle, you suck and so does your advice....


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Posted by OTS from IP: 58.6.126.117 on 11/11/08
NZ

well sorry but what the f__k man master the techniques before you pick the gun up you dumbs__t ,why would you even ask for help on the web all you gonna get is words if you cant set up whats the point of you getting answer when you dont know what the f__k it means so just learn it from a professional or get a fucking APRENTICESHIP


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Posted by blank from IP: 216.84.35.66 on 12/24/08
here

i was wondering if any of you could tell me other websites or books etc that would be benificial before actually going out and apprenticing. sometimes i learn better reading myself aside from hands on experience. i dont wanna piss people off and become known as a scratcher because i do respect the shit and any advice would very much be appreciated thanks


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Posted by Tat-Rat from IP: 67.232.91.132 on 12/26/08
tn

If the light is glowing the ink is flowing.


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Posted by keasoneskies@hotmail.com from IP: 122.110.99.128 on 12/30/08
australia

yeah man if you aint even got any power thru them sumthing is probably wrong with them (ssssssssshhhhhhhh) so just send em bak for a refund.As helpfull as the internet can be when u start asking tattooists how to tattoo it can turn into a really nasty place.
i hope you work it out mate


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Posted by digiacomo_aj@yahoo.com from IP: 71.1.171.132 on 01/02/09

I was reading the back and forth on this topic for about 2 hours now and it seems like there are some realy knowlagable artists on this forum. I love the art of tattoo but don't ink because I don't want to be a "scratcher". My sister is an "actual" artist under the gidance of the pro's at a shop in denville NJ. Since I don't want to be a scratcher i'd just like to help her out and fix her Irons and her time machine liner is on the fritz. its been "stalling" during use. it has power flowing but the needle will stop moving. What is the problem?


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Posted by digiacomo_aj@yahoo.com from IP: 71.1.171.132 on 01/02/09

I was reading the back and forth on this topic for about 2 hours now and it seems like there are some realy knowlagable artists on this forum. I love the art of tattoo but don't ink because I don't want to be a "scratcher". My sister is an "actual" artist under the gidance of the pro's at a shop in denville NJ. Since I don't want to be a scratcher i'd just like to help her out and fix her Irons and her time machine liner is on the fritz. its been "stalling" during use. it has power flowing but the needle will stop moving. What is the problem?


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Posted by johndoc from IP: 75.80.15.3 on 01/02/09

Unbelieveable.


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Posted by TheJudge from IP: 67.61.184.59 on 01/03/09
Gates, OR

'Wow, what a thread. Im not here to ask for anything, or to condemn the posts that have been made. But I will say that Ive been doing tattoos for a few years now - started out with a POS Spaulding & Rogers kit that I picked up for cheap. (flame on) I rebuilt the machines (shimmed, new coils, o-ring etc.) under the supervision of a bro in a shop, and they worked alright. I was sleeved out before I started and observed alot of hours of needles in my skin. I really wish I had the cash to apprentace under someone, but for the time being Ill just have to settle for knowledge gained from hard seeking and common sense. I asked alot of questions while getting work done. Some folks were more than happy to answer questions, others would give the reply "This is a shop, not a school" - They wouldnt get return business. I do some decent work, my lines are solid and shading/coloring solid & even. I dont get in over my head and if I cant do something, I turn it down.


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Posted by TheJudge from IP: 67.61.184.59 on 01/03/09
Gates, OR

The point to my post is: Some idiots have no business breathing, let alone putting ink in the skin. If you have a good share of common sense and a healthy respect for the art, then youll figure out a way to make it. But its really hard to judge who "gets it" and who doesnt on an internet forum. So instead of asking these pros how to do shit, go get a small piece done whenever you can and observe, ask questions and make friends. Some of these folks wo are assholes on the net might be decent folks in person, you never know. Dont get in over your head, and look into one of the before mentioned pathogen/cross contamination classes. Get the basics covered, theres alot of shit you HAVE to be proficiant at before the needle hits the skin.


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Posted by liam from IP: 92.19.135.255 on 01/08/09
derby england

guys guys guys there was a time when tattooist's were respected now all you have done is proven that the arrogant ones are the worst. Your scared that someone who really wants to tattoo is gonna steal your thunder. Well im glad more and more people are buying tatto kits it goes to show that the art form we love is getting bigger and more and more possibilities are among us. Get your head ou your a****s and help and praise the peole that want to learn instead of drawing them away. Great you all started with an apprenticeship and had to lick a few a****s on the way and this guy wont have to. Surely thats not what tattooing is about cause you had to work harder for your dream but if his is this guys dream then let him chase it in his own way. He doesnt need some mardy arrogant guys tellinghim what his dreams are and how he has to chase them. Good luck my friend i hope you become a great tattooist respect the other tattooists even though some of them cant handle the fact that theres thousands of more people better than them . Good luck


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Posted by DarkArtsTattooing from IP: 203.217.41.214 on 02/06/09
Australia

Leave the poor guy alone, i was bagged and pushed into a corner when i said i wanted to be a tattooist. I did not have a rotary machine though i bought the cheyenne hawk system and the first time i used it i created real art that half the tattooists in my area would have been proud of! my advice to the person who asked the original question would be buy an automatic machine that does not need all the adjusting and fiddling around with like a rotary machine. Rotary can be and is a tougher way of learning to tattoo but if that is all you can afford then go for it but if you want a real machine then here is a link for the cheyenne hawk.
http://www.tattoosafe.de/ts/index.php/cat/c66_Cheyenne-Hawk.html
the needles are expensive but they are disposable and it is a much cleaner set up than rotary, gun bags and cord sleeves and you don't really need an autoclave, a simple sterilize in a uv sterilizer should do the trick unless you get a splash on the machine some how then you will have to clean it properly. When you tattoo you will need to hold your gun at or about a 45 degree angle and you have your needles set to pierce about 1-1.5 mm deep depending on the persons skin, i have heard of people using 3 mm but that seems a bit excessive to me, basically if there is a lot of bleeding than your needle is piercing to deep. But as everyone is saying you should have a bit of experience from watching a real tattooist. I personally have a bit of ink and had them before i started compared to some people though not much really, about 28 hours of work on me. Oh and if you are doing this s*#t from home make sure you are working on an easily cleaned surface such as a large sheet of lineo or a sealed flat surface, and be sure to put something on the walls around your work area that can be sealed to the floor and easily cleaned.


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Posted by Loki_Da_Man from IP: 63.214.229.68 on 02/06/09
Kanas City, MO

i'm a tatto designer trying to get into the biz and was wondering if any of the "pros" knew of any tattoo artist willing to give an apprentiship in florida...

I have art work that could be looked at so you wont think i'm wasting your time

any help would be greatly appreciated


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Posted by beefcake from IP: 75.181.111.24 on 02/06/09
monroe,nc

Thanx for the helpful hints darkartist tattooing i really want to start i ordered a low priced machine that is auto.I am a tattoo designer for most of my friends and they all talked me into the biz. Well the only trouble is that i know quite a bit about drawing but dont know dick about tattoo'n. So i really enjoy when people like you are friendly and give good advice,most of these guys i talk to in here are bitter and act like im try'n to steal all their business. i have about 10 hours of work on me and a associate that i know with a shop but i would like to know a little bit about the biz before i go and ask him for advice. Thanx anyway for the small bit of advice and if i could ask you some questions i would be greatful. Later ya'll and keep that ink pump'n


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Posted by demon91979@yahoo.com from IP: 70.161.137.76 on 02/10/09

You know for over 7 years now I've been trying to get an apprenticeship I've been in NY, in CA and VA, and the closest I've gotten to get one is at a tattoo shop, where they wanted me to pay over $.6000. So I started learning on my own, and I’ve been tattooing for a few months now. And I have gotten no complains so far. Is easy to talk trash about the new people trying to get in the biz, and complain how is wrong of them to try to learn by themselves. The sad thing is that those A_holes talking crap are the ones that turn people down when they are asked for an apprenticeship.
This being the case, if anyone knows someone in VA willing to teach =)... feel free to drop me a line. =) in my personal e-mail…


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Posted by vinntattman from IP: 71.227.77.117 on 02/20/09
michigan

ya'll are asses! look back at how you started out prob doin a few here and there for friends out of your mommy's basement! some of the best tatt artist started out with a cheap as gun and crap ink doin lill jobs here and there, its called learning. its how i started and now im goin on 12 years of tattooing. you gotta start somewhere


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Posted by shane from IP: 216.41.195.136 on 02/22/09
wisconsin

wow, long thread all saying the same things, guess i will join. I walked out of my 3000 dollar apprenticeship after 2 months. i started with a kit. i am now two modest years old in a proffesional and supportive shop. i bet the guy that started this doesnt even read it anymore, so i will hide my opinion in this dusty corner. apprenticeships are good if you have the art skills to impress a good supportive artist. if you cant get an apprenticeship, your art probably needs some help, and practice, start there.If you cant paint, or cant draw (without a light table) or dont do any art other than tattoos, you should probably not even think about tattooing as a career yet. period. My advise to the people that have short term experienc in the industry, your advise really dont mean shit,(including mine) unless it is to incourage and support, cuz you really dont know anything about the industry yet. all that said here is my 2 cents the kit i started out with sucked. every single peice was a waste of money. Many proffesional artists dont really understand how to rebuild there machines (thats a well kept secret by the way). hell i have met machine builders that cant tune their machines very well. the tuning of your machine is very important, start out by going to Eikon, buy every issue of machine-gun magazine, and read the little bits of info they hide in there 400 times until it starts to make sense. get some coffee, cuz its pretty boring reading. good info, not too expensive. there are some great machines out there, and they are spendy, but if you have the capacity to learn how to really put em together you can tune nearly any machine into a good running machine. I have about 2000 dollars worth of machines and my favorite one cost 50 bucks, with another 70 in replacement parts. (you haters can call bullshit, but its been looked over by respected artists who gave it two thumbs up). the unfortunate part of trying to tune your machines is that you need to tune your machine to mirror the way you tattoo, and that is hard to do when you dont know how to tattoo. If you are teaching yourself, then you are at a time when your likely to fuck some shit up before you get close to doing anything resembling cool. So to try and minimise your fuck up, get your machine running the way you think it should, and take it into some local shops and aske em if they will run it for you. they are prolly gonna tell you that they wouldnt tattoo their ex wife with the thing, but maybe someone will take a liking to you and give you some advise. I would not be here except for supportive proffesionals in other towns that i could call up and say "hey man, this blahblah is givin me the blues, i got it doing this... " and getting some advise from someone who knows. if your contacts know your takeing the time to not fuck someone up, staying inside your skills, and have enough artistic talent to succeed, they will give you alot of advise, and save you money, and help you in very valuable ways. if you can get a couple of contacts to help, then be modest, dont waste there time with endless calls, keep studying and practiceing your art, send em some o the good shit, and they will jump to help in time. paul boothe is self taught tattoo artist i think, but he has been doing art and painting for a long time before he picked up a machine, i would be willing to bet that he could get a paid apprenticeship in two weeks nowadays, just on his portfolio. practice your art, it is the most important thing that matters in this industry, the rest is just technical skill. And get the blood borne pathogen training, ur a fuckin idiot if you dont.


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Posted by the builder from IP: 64.60.48.34 on 02/25/09
california

MAN WHAT A BUNCH OF ASS HOLES!

The guy didn't say he was going to tattoo some one tomorrow! All he asked for was a little help in setting up the machine. Gee maybe he just wants to see what it's like to do a drawing with a practice skin or something to see if he even likes it. Like he said he is exploring this thing not out selling any service.
The reaction by most of you just goes to prove the point of being treated like a peon by some asshole know it all. I have been airbrushing for over 25 years. Won best paint at several high end bike shows when I was doing bikes and I never had any one talk to me like you bunch of stuck up pricks answered this poor guys question when I needed info to get better way back in the beginning.

Recently a friend lent me a tattoo gun and said hey play with this you could be really good at it. Being an ex marine if any one talked to me the way you guys disrespected this guy I would come and beat the f@#$&n crap out of you!

TRY OFFERING A BIT OF ADVISE INSTEAD OF BEING ASS HOLES!.

You guys crack me up about how sacred a tradtion you think your carrying on. Have any of been to Tahiti or any other polonisian island where tattoo as we know it originated. I have and watched it done the real way with a wooden stick and his hands as the machine. To be honest most of you are a disgrace to the actuall history of the art which was orignally a tribal traditional right of polonisian royalty.

MAN TALK ABOUT A BUNCH OF EGO CENTRIC MORRONS MOST OF WHICH CAN'T DRAW TO SAVE YOUR ASS SO YOU USE TRACINGS OF OTHER PEOPLES DRAWINGS FROM A BOOK.

Don't get me wrong I have seen some good work out there but most of you so called tattoo artists make me fffnin laugh!


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Posted by bettyloutattoo from IP: 24.192.127.9 on 03/03/09
mt.clemens, michigan. usa

I think what everyone is trying to say is... It is great that you may want to become a tattoo artist but there is a right way and a wrong way of doing it. No one wants to discourage someone from doing something that they love but as professional tattoo artists we don't like seeing things that will jeopardize the integrity of our industry. You asked for advise on how to use your machine... The best advise any tattoo artist can give is to seek an apprenticeship. It may be a hard thing to find but nothing worth doing is easy. You and any possible "victims" will benefit emensely. Tattooing is no joke. Its a craft that takes a long time to learn. You want to learn the right way.


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Posted by QinAK from IP: 166.129.22.123 on 03/04/09
Soldotna, Alaska

Tuning a machine is a game of compensation between the rear spring tension/gauge, front spring's flex, and their shapes, frame specs and contact screw. The measurement from the spring saddle to the tube vice hole, will dictacte the spring gauge you should use...the rear spring has to deal with the weight of all the components attached to it (armature bar, screw, washer, oring, front spring, needle bar, needles, rubber band tension and the resistance the skin will exhert on the needle penetration) it's something that takes some time to explain. NOT just that but there are issues of parallelism and other things which a machine needs to be versatile machine, all machines should be able to line, shade and color with.


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Posted by SkinInk from IP: 76.182.134.101 on 03/07/09
Madison, Indiana

I just started tattooing...literally...I am halfway through my first tattoo on someone other than myself. I am doing a consortium of skulls to cover-up a really bad tattoo on my brother. When I am finished with that I will start on a portrait of my son on my leg.

I did not apprentice. However, I am an accomplished artist, is several fields, and I was drawn to tattooing mostly because it was the only medium I knew of that I hadn't done, and mastered.

I am not naive enough to believe that I know everything there is to know about tattooing, but I will say that I didn't just pick up a needle and start poking myself. I got online and started finding every book there was to read about tattooing, it's history, and it's evolution. I also familiarized myself with the canvass (human skin) of this medium. I, like many people didn't know why tattoos spread, were blotched, faded, etc,etc. Reading as much of the material out there as I could find, helped me better understand what I was about to do.

I purchased my first kit a few weeks ago, and although I don't have an autoclave (A machine used to make materials/chemicals reach their boiling point, and used by medical professionals to sterilize medical equipt.), I have never used the same needle twice...even on myself. I may purchase an autoclave later, but due to it's price, I'd pretty much have to decide to do tattooing for a while before I spent $1,800 on a machine I wouldn't use outside of tattooing.

My suggestion to all aspiring tattooists is to get an apprenticeship if you can afford it. If you can't afford it, then you had better do some real research before tattooing any flesh...including your own. Purchase some synthetic skin, or grapefruits if you can't afford the synthetics...and do at-least 200 tattoos on those before you attempt anything on yourself. I would also suggest that you watch some professional tattooists do their trade...that way you can fill-in the gaps that the research you do wont provide. There are many videos out there on the internet, and a few syndicated shows. I suggest you watch EVERYTHING you can get your hands on...don't just watch one tattooists, watch MANY of them, as each artist has subtle differences/beliefs in their approach to their craft....but they are ALL SAFE!!!! And that is the main thing - being safe! Some of those inks out there are very bad!!!! I cannot stress this enough. Understand what it is you are proposing to put into your body, and possibly someone else's.

Although I am not a professional tattooist yet (Professional means "paid"), I do know enough about tattooing that the local owner of a shop has told me that the only thing I have left to do is to start tattooing on someone beside myself - I was even offered a job...even though I had never done a tattoo on someone other than myself.

If you have any questions, you can email me at heathmalc@hotmail.com

I also have video of me doing my brother's cover-up, as well as video of me doing my legs, and my left arm. Whether you contact me or not, you definitely will need to speak with someone that knows what they are doing (A Pro!)...otherwise, you may regret what you are attempting.

Best of Luck - S.I.


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Posted by ryba81@alice.it from IP: 93.70.28.63 on 04/24/09
Italy

First of all sorry for my bad english I

Hi I'm so called d scratcher.....

Most of you will shut me up telling that i need to get apprenticeship or something but me question is forward persons who want to help me .
I would not call my self an artist . Don't have a proper preparation like some school or something. always liked to paint and when i first time get my self tattoo I thought "could make by my self " from that point things are getting to complicate :D

I have some problems to get ink properly in big areas such as tribals where my colour is not solid.

Other thing is shading always in big areas where I need to do nice fade from black to white ( skin colour )

I'm using so called cheap machines paid about 60 Euro each ( 10 wraps ) one is tuned for liner and here is almost perfect . when I do the line correct keeping right angel and depth it's nice and smooth.
Problem is shading and colouring. Till now I didn't work out if the settings for colouring are same as for shading. I saw many techniqe for colouring using both round and flat grouping needles .
Not sure about my tuning. I did refer to on-line films and other . My machine seems to work just fine ( from what I saw and heard on films) Ink enter into the skin but after it heals it fade in some parts which really makes me nervous about it
http://photos.nasza-klasa.pl/19952543/53/main/e2f5fa9950.jpeg
This is photo madded about 6 moths after and is far away from what it looks when I did it
I,m quite good drawing on paper but still can't make my work done way I wish to on skin.
Pls spear me quote like You need to practise because I know it . Just need to have some starting point. In my area there is no shop where i can go and ask for help so you guys are my best shot.

resuming :

1 when i fill area to get solid black colour I need to run my machine slower ?
2 I'm using Kuro sumi outlining ink for lines . Can I use it for colouring as well ?
3 Can someone put me a photo of well tuned machine so I can compare it to mine tune ( location of armature bar , spring etc )
4 Using magnums I need to do circulars moves to fill area with pigment or there are other styles ?
5 Long sessions can make tattoo fade after healing ?


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Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.174.179 on 04/24/09

good grief, there's a fucking full moon tonight.


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Posted by ryba81@alice.it from IP: 93.70.28.63 on 04/25/09
Italy

thanks man very helpfull ...........
One thing is sure
this forum is full of "Pro" who likes to joke about any topic here
Only one thing - If you are so pro why do you waste your time on forum ???
If anyone still want to help me out pls email me .. THX


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Posted by Gaston - Fk Irons from IP: 65.10.129.171 on 04/25/09
miami Bitch

Machine Gun Magazine from Eikon has great info regarding tuning and technical tips.
Although I think they sell the magazine only to established artists though.


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Posted by DamianForcas from IP: 206.172.186.1 on 05/09/09
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

First off, most tattoo lengends were never apprentaces, next, when I see someone not saying "ok follow these instructions and you'll have the tattoo machine running good" it shows me a bunch of pussies that are worried that some new guy might get better then them. I do have some advice for the person who started this topic, you can buy professionally pre-tuned tattoo guns, when you buy a kit make sure it states that the guns are professionalls tuned, that's a shortcut if you don't want to worry about tuning the tattoo machines.

Next thing, any tattoo artist who makes home made tattoo machines is a dumbass whether they know how to properly put them together or not. For the past years tattoo legends tell people "DO NOT use home made tattoo machines" and I see people here who build there own, people see, people do. Also blood diseases aren't given to people coz they bought a tattoo kit like I read in some previous post. Blood diseases are given from home-made tattoo machines, contaminated equiptment, tattooing in an unsafe environment stuff like that. In my eyes and eyes of true tattoo masters, those who hold tattoo knowladge from learners or just rather tear others down rather then telling them how to set the machine up, it's just pussies who want to be the best and new people might get better.

There is a reason guns are invented, guns were invented because with a gun even a pussy can look like a tough guy. Much like internet forums, this is how wars are started, instead of helping people we'd rather fight. Instead of being an "internet tough guy" try being the internet good guy and help them, it takes more balls to help someone out than it takes to shut them down. I see people like you guys every day, tough on the internet but in reality can't back themselves up when they threaten someone and the person accepts the challenge.

Is this guy a loser for getting a kit, NO he's not it shows he has interest and wants to learn the trade. However you are the losers you dumbasses who shut people down ordering them how to do things, claiming the "right way", the only "right way" is the way that works for the person, we each have our own "right way". Another example, there is guitarists who need to go to school and learn how to play guitar, but there is also guitarists who learned by ear, one famous and well known one is Rob Barrett from Cannibal Corpse. Always remember, people who put down others who ask for advice, knowledge or wisdom will be forgotten, those who help those in need spreading knowledge, advice, and wisdom will always be remembered.


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.177.91.247 on 05/09/09
CT

Damian, what an ignorant, ill-informed post. Seriously.

I find that artists are generally very helpful with apprentices and other artists. The problem is, this is an internet forum and information gets into the wrong hands. There is no reason or incentive for a pro to take time out of their career/life to teach someone for free...and in most cases, people who are not in a shop. It would be pretty neglegent to teach someone how to tattoo out of their kitchen. And that is exactly what would be happening if technical information was available on this forum. And it's not about competition, it's about the work today's artists have put in to kill the industries shady reputation.

About machines - There is nothing wrong with learning how to build a Professional tattoo machine. We're not talking about some jail rig. And fuck that pre-tuned garbage. All tattooers should know how to put a machine together and how to tune and adjust it to their needs. There is no such thing as a perfectly pre-tuned machine unless you actually have the builder tune it the way you like it or you can do it yourself. Artists tattoo differently and need their machines to be tuned to their specific way of tattooing.

Next, what the hell are you talking about that "Blood diseases are given from home-made tattoo machines"? WHAT? Again, we're not talking about jail rigs here. There is NO difference between a PROFESSIONAL machine that is bought vs. built as far as cross contamination goes. You either clean your machine properly, use sterile needles and tubes..or you don't. You either know and follow the rules of cross contamination prevention or you do not.

And, again, I think artists are happy to talk tech talk amongst each other and help each other out. But on here, they'd be helping people who don't know that you shouldn't tattoo where you eat or over carpet, etc... If you pay attention, pros ARE willing to help. They are willing to give advice on how to get an apprenticeship. Why? Because no matter how you teach someone to tattoo from home, it probably won't be good enough.

Scratchers have this ugly habit of having to get their picture taken while they're tattooing. And in these photos, you can almost always write a long list of things they are doing that are filthy. And that's just in a still photo, I shudder to think what it would be like to watch this person in motion, cross contaminating everything. It's so disturbing that you don't want to help the person, you want to scream STOP! Obviously that doesn't work but I can tell you one thing, scratchers only hear what they want to hear. Many artists have tried tirelessly to help and it always comes back to the same thing. Either the person won't listen because they don't want to know about barrier control, etc...they wanna know the good stuff, like needle depth, etc.. And when you do answer their specific questions, they almost always take the info they asked for without so much as thanking you for your time or kindness. So fuck that.


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Posted by DamianForcas from IP: 206.172.186.1 on 05/10/09
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

Ok, I'd think you still want help to set up your tattoo machines, so I'm going to help you, I'm going to give you instructions where to find some videos you should watch. But first, don't come into forums for help anymore, cause, these guys are not professionals, I would never want someone who's only an "inshop professional" the shuts down kids in internet forums at night to give me a tattoo, I'd actually rather expose the artist for the asshole he is. Also you've seen no phisical evidence that these guys are really "pros" they could be average joes with a tattoo kit just like you and acting. In fact, that's what they look like.

Go to http://www.youtube.com in the search box type in "how to set up tattoo machines" there is videos made by a real "tattoo professional" in his tattoo shop to be exact, he tells you how to preform the entire tattoo procedure from start to finish, explains about depth, cross-contamination and everything else you need to know, I spent half the day watching the videos, I never picked up a tattoo machine before and I could confidently pick one up, get some practice skins and go all out.

None of these dumb asses are gonna tell you fuck all here, this pro goes through everything you need to know to give tattoos. Always remember though, also never tattoo another person unless you would be comfterable tattooing yourself. You can get practice skins or you can also use oranges, the rind acts abit like human skin. You should also practice tracing, practice putting your machine together, naming parts etc... that way you'll never forget how to put the machine together or what piece is what.

I spent half the day watching this guys videos and just watching them I saw a few things why your machines aren't working, also there is a video by a different tattoo artist who tells how to tune the machines in a little more detail than the other guy. In fact you can just go all out and watch as many of them as you can, I know they will help you out alot.


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Posted by DamianForcas from IP: 206.172.186.1 on 05/10/09
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

Oh something I forgot to mention, these people say "if you can't draw you should get help" and stuff like that, tattooing is not drawing, you can be a shitty artist with a pencil and empty paper and still be an awsome tattoo artist, tattooing and artistry are 2 different things. You never see a tattoo artist draw a picture freehand, tattooing is about tracing and shading, you should get a book of tracing paper and practice tracing and shading. If you can trace and shade you can tattoo, but always practice lots before you begin giving others tattoos.


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Posted by DamianForcas from IP: 206.172.186.1 on 05/11/09
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

The last 2 posts were for the topic creator, this post is directly to all the ass holes claiming to be pros in this forum. I have some major reasons why you need to start saying you're professional and start acting like it. I learned this from a real professional tattoo artist, NEVER do anything that some person will take offensive or interpret wrongly, just be nice help people out and be a good guy, because it only takes 1 person who has a bid mouth to ruin your reputation and your career. Most of you are like "I'm a pro, I'm proud to be one so I'll put my name as the tattoo shop I work at" that is enough to ruin you. I about a day 1 person who see's how childish you act will turn into about 1000 easily. It is a "ROOKIE" mistake to forget how fast words travel. Especially if you work in a world known tattoo shop.

Any of your past customers can see this, and so can your future customers cause it's on the Internet, nobody wants to get tattooed by a "pro" who makes the mistakes rookie mistakes, being an ass to a kid online who wants to follow his dreams is the biggest mistake you can do, it's worse than forgetting to put the ink in tube in the gun. NEVER forget that anyone you talk shit like you have been saying has the power to end your career as a tattoo artist, I certainly would never hire a person who treats people like you guys have been treating this kid.

Also, you claim "apprentaship" as the "right way", it's not the "right way" the only right way is the way that works best for you. There is alot of people who work better when they teach themselves, it's all the people who grew up on street smarts. Like me, I can't stand some "teacher" peeking over my shoulder ever 3 minutes, I do a better job by myself, that's why you see in some tattoo shops the artists each have their own room as a work station cause they work better when people aren't peeking over them every 3 minutes.

Try being the tattoo artist that's professional cause he's proffessional to his/her business 100 percent of the time.

Being the artist who helps rookies out by giving them tips, and telling them how to solve their problem, even if your reply didn't fix the problem you still tried.

People look up to the pros when you as a professional tattoo artist look bad you're making others look bad, especially the person that hires you, logically think about the shit you say before you say it, cause you don't know how many people this kid has told about you so called "pros" here, I would've been telling people ever since the first "internet tough guy" put his reply.


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.177.91.247 on 05/11/09
CT

Wow, you must be a really shitty tattooer. Have you ever even seen a good tattoo? I know you haven't done one but have you ever seen one? If so then you know that there is a demand for high-end custom art. You're really limiting yourself if you're only a "pick and stick" type of tattooer.

And you sound like an uber-fucking-idiot having the attitude that you do about tattooing and then pretending to know what a professional is. The artist's work speaks volumes. No customer is gonna be offended because one artist won't help another dude to cut corners and give bad tattoos. Dumb ass. Really, I'm guessing you can't even tie your shoes,Velcro-man.


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Posted by DamianForcas from IP: 206.172.186.1 on 05/11/09
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada

Custom art still isn't drawn by the artist, the person getting the tattoo brings in the design, you trace it into a stencil, put it on the guys arm then guess what, you're going to trace it again. You know why pro artists don't draw their own designs for people. In the words of Kat Von D "DON'T BE A TATTOO ADVISOR" if there is one thing professionals hate it's people asking others about tattoos. Also it's not the art that may is offensive that I'm talking about, anyone can be offended by the way they're treated, it's called discrimination which is a federal crime chargeble with a fine exceeding 100,000 dollars. I know what a professional is, I work with them every day, none of them are half ass like you asses. You guys are lucky that the kid that created this topic hasn't mailed your employers with printouts of what you've been saying, I'm sure your employers would be discusted that you would act like this and use their tattoo shop as your name, your employer would probly want to kick your teeth out. I'd also think he would tell you it's very "UNPROFESSIONAL".

Also yes I have seen good tattoos, I have good tattoos on my body, they were all done by "professionals" who don't act like you assholes when they aren't working in the shop. My attitude here gina only says one thing, it says I'm the bigger man, I'm pointing out the fools, I'm showing the facts that you say you're pro yet act like rookies here. In fact, hats off to everybody who has call you guys unprofessional, ass holes or any other name you deserve to be called. Next time I'm at a professional tattoo shop, I'm going to ask a real pro what his thought on this argument, this artist is known world wide. The artists name is Ivan Anderson and his tattoo shop is called The Wizards Den located in Petawawa Ontario Canada, when I see his work he's not online putting kids through the mud. If he was, all his customers and fame would be gone.


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.177.91.247 on 05/11/09
CT

Illegal discrimination against scratchers??? You really are an idiot.

I'm gonna sue my dentist for not teaching me how to do root canals.

And many custom artists create fully custom art from their brains without using specific references.


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.177.91.247 on 05/11/09
CT

By the way, I looked up the tattooer you mentioned. And, NO, you obviously don't know what a good tattoo is. Somehow I knew his work wouldn't be mind-blowing or even average. Damn, you need to check out some of the great artists that are out there.


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Posted by galadriel069@hotmail.com from IP: 121.220.53.98 on 05/12/09
australia

just curious ....auto claves are all very nice but what was used before them? and no i dont tattoo but i know all about blood bourne pathogens


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.177.7.218 on 05/13/09
CT

Steam-pressure sterilization has been around since 1890. And the mortality rate before sterilization proccess' was 90% in hospitals.

You can only imagine how bad tattooing was before regulations were in place regarding safety, sterilization, cross contamination, etc.. Back in the day, before tattooing was regulated, hepatitis was common as well as other diseases. There's a huge difference between then and now.


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Posted by bobble1012@yahoo.co.uk from IP: 88.106.95.197 on 06/12/09

what a load of up your own arse, tattooist these days think ther no room see, cant fuckin stand th ignorance of sum tattooists these days, every1 starts sumwher, knobs th lot of u, scratchers this , scratchers that, consentrate on ur own work an stop puttin people down who has ambition,


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Posted by wtf from IP: 74.75.182.89 on 06/13/09
maine

And not one person has asked where this guy lives and has offered him an apprenticeship... and using the military and comparing it to tattooing!!! WRONG. Alot of people go into tattooing that already have drawing skill....so they arent going into this totally blind. Besides, art work on skin looks alot different then on paper. If these artists that are bitching to this guy is any artist at all, point the guy in the right direction as to WHERE to get an apprenticeship, if they happen to know of any in his area. Dont just say go out and get one. possibly tell him about the experiences about their OWN apprenticeship and maybe he can see if its something he WILL be interested in. And if the artists never WENT through an apprenticeship, then what makes him different then them?


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Posted by baberry64 from IP: 66.169.14.11 on 08/01/09
marion nc

Unbelievable..Or maybe not..i can not understand why so many so called artists act so mean to someone wanting to learn.I wld be honored if someone were to come to me for advice on a subject in which I consider myself to be an expert in..GROW UP!!!!


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Posted by Tattoo Lad UK 24 from IP: 78.86.220.213 on 08/09/09
Blyth, UK

I lol at all you 'pros', your all so pro that you have days worth of time to sit on here trying to be clever to newb's/ I think most of the haters are complete fags who have maybe one tattoo on their arm the size of a 2p piece and they think they invented the shihat !!
Tell you all what im away to play with my guns hahah (i no u fags h8 that) even though its a term that has been used in the tattoo industry for over 40 years but has latley became the blunt of the 'pros' (lmao bedroom scratchers) urban dictionary, anyway to all the new-bs just keep diggin for info and practice practice practice !!
Its as eay as learning to drive , you cant just get in a car and drive you have to learn , just like tattooing, so what ever these fags tell u - ignore !! - they are the little gimps who have paid to have some 60's throwback who is stuck in the past tell them how to tattoo and call it an apprentiship (lmfao) i just sit back and laugh at these morons while i work away in my shop that i started up after only a year and a half of practice and studying !!
Miami Ink lol u dudes watch 2 much tele.


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Posted by Hillbilly from IP: 12.73.40.11 on 08/18/09
USA

Well, I came on here and thought I might catch a glimpse of some useful info, I read the whole thread and decided that ya'll act like a bunch of welders...... I shaved my dog and tattooed him. Yep, got the purtists dog in Arkansas...... Anyway, figured out my machines and done 9 good tats last week, made 1200$$$$ on my week off from my real job, as an offshore construction & welding superintendant. Learned that shit on my own too. and made money the whole time;. Just any scratchers that read this, remember you can't just grind a tatt off and re weld it.............


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Posted by tat2edangel from IP: 96.2.193.77 on 08/25/09
Rapid City SD

So here is my bit.
I have been tattoing for several years on and off now. I did two apprenticeships. One with Marieta in Lead SD about 12 years ago. I was told if i wanted to learn, I need to shut up and sit down and watch. First thing i was taught was to trace flash. I started on one wall and 8 hours a day 5 days a week 4 months latter i had traced every piece of flash in the whole shop. Then I was given a rapidograph pen set and had to do all the flash AGAIN!!! She was looking for perfect lines every time(consistant lines no blots no wiggles. I had to show i could pull a line). That was another 4 months. All this time I did all the basic shop stuff: Clean tubes, trace out stencils for clients(Marieta did not have a stencil maker so I did them all with ink pencils), prep and assist clients, make needles after a about six months in the shop old school style with clamps and a pop can to tighten liners and last but not least draw free hand roses and old school banners over and over and over again till my eyes bleed and yes I scrubbed the toilet twice a day.
I had to learn sterile fields and make it a religion. Not a lot of machine knowledge was taught me but I dont think now that i look back that she knew very much about the technical side.

After a year in Lead I went home to Denver were i was able to get into All American Tattoo with Richie here again I did a ton of small pieces (roses, banners, lettering, eagle heads) and yes cleaned lots of Toilets bowls. Again sterile fields were beat into me. But most of all Richie taught me the love of the art. So much that i went back to school and got a BA in Grapic Design at the Art Institute.

But again i was not taught much of the technical side of the machine. I bought my machine from my teacher and that is what i used if there was a problem I fixed it. I can build a machine from scratch but as far as the real nerdie part of what spring gage, what capasitor, spring angle these things are still a bit of a mystery to me. I by a 8 wrap coil setup for my liner and a 10 wrap for my shader. My spring angle is what ever it is when it comes from my supplier. And to real honest I still to this day have a bit of nerves about my machine. See i am a bit a tech nerd my self and if I was able to really get into the technical side of my machines I feel i would be a better tattooist. I would at least feel better about my equipment. There by allowing me to concentrate even harder on the art. There is always that little bit of "is it right in the back of my mind. I know what my machine should sound like and feel like and after many hour of break-in whenever I rebuild or repair I know if it right. But i would feel a bit better if I only had a bit more technical confidents in my equipment. I am useing a TT Copper Dial for a liner (8 wrap S&R coils and short front spring) and a Spalding Old Timer for my shader (10 wrap S&R coils and long front) I was taught with a car battery and reostat so thats what i use for power.

Just so all that read this know I am not in shop I am a Union Journyman Ironworker I work 6 10s and I am not about to give up 140k a year to go back to a shop and start all over again. I have 4 kids a wife and a morgage. I ink friend and family and am able to supplement my income VERY well inking. So Please no chants about get an apperticeship or if i really wanted to be a tattooist give up my life and move to do it.

I would very much like to be able to learn more about the technical side of my equipment and maybe even move to a plugin power supply.

Well there is my long story so any info or help appreciated. Bashers, haters and flamers your welcome to. I am a grown man and take it, if you need to be a prick to make yourself feel better I will take one for the team.

Tat2edAngel@gmail.com


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Posted by T.D. 09 from IP: 69.145.62.101 on 08/25/09

Wow what a thread huh. So after reading most of this thread I would like to put my two sense in. First off why does it matter that a pro doesn't feel like they owe it to someone to teach them there ways?? Now I myself am more than happy to lead someone in the right direction but how are we supposed to know how dedicated that person is from a few paragraphs he or she has posted on an internet forum? One of the biggest rants you hear is that we are all ingnorant assholes who are probably not even real pros because we are on a tattoo forum. We do have free time belive it or not. You should seek an apprenticeship. Period. What you will learn teaching yourself will take a fraction of the time it will take with a apprenticeship without the long list of destroyed clients. Try putting all of what is being said into a context that you yourself would understand. What I mean by that is whatever your day job or carrer is. If you have spent 10 years learning a certain trade and perfecting it everyday because it is something that you love to do and take very serious your honestly going to say that it would not irritate you when someone says he or she can learn it themselves and your probably not teaching them cause they will be better than you?? If you say yes you wouldn't mind then your probably not that dedicated into your field. Tattooing is a form of art that takes alot of hard work and dedication to achive greatness. Now yes its tru anyone can go buy a kit and tattoo there friends and family up and call them self a pro. But thats not how it works people. Its obviously been proven that anyone can do it. But not everyone can be great at it. And when your dealing with something that is permanent is there anything less to be than great?? No matter what anyone says there will always be scratchers. There will always be arrogant fucks who think that tattooing as nothing more than a hobby they can learn in there basement. Now yes alot of us did start by teaching ourselves but a very large majority fell in love with this art so much we couldn't except anything less than greatness and could admit that no matter how much we taught ourselves someone out there knows more than we do. I personally moved 600 miles from where I was living and paid 3000 dollars for my apprenticeship. I'm also married and have 3 beautifull girls. So when you say its impossible your probably mean its just not worth it. It was the best money I have ever spent. Stop getting so angry at us when we refuse to help you. Why do you honestly care that much?? You obviously dont care enough to go out and look for the information with local artists or to go to conventions and ask questions and since us "fake pros" have some free time to spend on a forum we should just empty our brains to you?? If its something you want to learn and are unwilling to be go out of your way to find an apprenticeship and teach yourself then good luck to you. But dont get sand all up in your vag's when we dont respect you. Always look at the bright side tho. You will always have respect with your fellow scratchers and from what I can tell your masses are growing everyday. And one more note. As for the whole we don't want to tell you are secrets or help you learn because were afraid of you be better than us, for me atleast that not true. I see more re-works and cover-ups from people who went to you and decided to come to REAL tattoo artist and get what they wanted. And just for the record I am not a arrogant ass. Atleast I dont think I am. I learn new thing everyday and my skills get better everytime I use my machine.Good luck to you all and inksane Gina.....You rock girl. Great responses!!! Seriously.


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Posted by tat2edangel from IP: 96.2.193.77 on 08/26/09
Rapid City SD

Well I am must say that with in an hour of being on this forum I found Eikon and I am impressed!!! It is very informative and totaly no bias.

I dont have the time to go to convention I make it to Sturgis every year since I only live 25 miles away and I have a few friends that are pro that come every year but they are slinging for 12 hour a day 7 days straight i am not about to sit there and bug them well they make there living.

Any body can call me a scatcher if they wish, again I am a big boy and can take it. I tend to leave my fealing on the night stand when I get up In the morning.

I DO INK IN HOTEL ROOMS HA HA ! I do take the time to make a sterile field every time!!!!! And if any body thinks I dont have the heart to do what I do, come spend a day in my world 350 feet in the air on a 4in piece of iron phoneing in a crane with 55000 pounds on and we will see who has heart.

I tattoo for the love of the art and yes the MONEY. My friend and Family are very pround of there art. I have done some ugly shit in the beginning and most of that was in my appenticeship. The welder from the earlyer post will agree that we have to start some were.


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Posted by Inksane Gina from IP: 69.0.40.91 on 08/27/09
CT

Thanks, T.D. 09 :)


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Posted by T.D. 09 from IP: 69.145.62.101 on 08/27/09

"And if any body thinks I dont have the heart to do what I do, come spend a day in my world 350 feet in the air on a 4in piece of iron phoneing in a crane with 55000 pounds on and we will see who has heart."

Really?? What a dumb comparison. Have all the heart you want but to me seems like you lack the respect. But you won't be giving up your 140k a year job right?? So what I basically get from you is tattooing is nothing more than a side hobby for you right?? If you honestly can't get that people like you, scratcher or not, are what is the problem then its not worth even trying to get it through your head. Your buddys who proffesionally tattoo do NOT do it as a hobby. Now it may not upset them, which is understandable, there your friends but don't expect it to not upset other people who put there heart and soul into it. Enjoy your hobby and all your proud customers but seriously were on two different playing fields. Try and understand that.


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Posted by T.D. 09 from IP: 69.145.62.101 on 08/27/09

"And if any body thinks I dont have the heart to do what I do, come spend a day in my world 350 feet in the air on a 4in piece of iron phoneing in a crane with 55000 pounds on and we will see who has heart."

Really?? What a dumb comparison. Have all the heart you want but to me seems like you lack the respect. But you won't be giving up your 140k a year job right?? So what I basically get from you is tattooing is nothing more than a side hobby for you right?? If you honestly can't get that people like you, scratcher or not, are what is the problem then its not worth even trying to get it through your head. Your buddys who proffesionally tattoo do NOT do it as a hobby. Now it may not upset them, which is understandable, there your friends but don't expect it to not upset other people who put there heart and soul into it. Enjoy your hobby and all your proud customers but seriously were on two different playing fields. Try and understand that.


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Posted by tat2edangel from IP: 96.2.193.77 on 08/28/09

You are right!!! It is a hobby, one I do love. I do respect the artist that are there day in and day out. All the props to you and them. But I guess what I was trying to get across is that not all of us can, will or have to sit in a shop every day to be competent and capable of doing great art. I have been in a shop I worked my way threw a BA in a very well known and respected shop, so yes I understand that it is hard work that takes dedication and that certain something to do. I ink my friends, family and fellow Ironworkers all over the world (The last 2 years in Iraq)and I am not tied down. All I ment by the heart statement is to bash anybody for not doing it the traditional way is not right either. Step back and remember that we are not the traditional type in the first place. Most of us make it a point to step out of the norm. So for the few that are here just to bash @!#$%@#!$% And no I wont give up my UNION job with UNION benifits and UNION pay I have far to many responsbilities at this point in my life to give that all up. I ink as a hobby right now to keep up the love of the art. And I wont always be able to do what I do now and have dreams of opening a shop of my own over seas after my children are off to collage and I able to take that time in my life to my self and my art.

So to those that are doing it PEACE, LOVE AND RESPECT!!!!!!
To those that are fucking it up. Think about what you are doing. The people you are hurting and the damage that you are doing to the art some of use love so much.


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Posted by T.D. 09 from IP: 69.145.62.101 on 08/28/09

Very nice response. Seriously. Here is my point. You yourself knows the precautions that must be taken to perform a safe tattoo. The problem I see is that 9 out of 10 people that come to a forum are looking for machine set-up, proper use, type of ink etc... NOT how to properly perform a safe tattoo in a sterile enviorment. Thats what iritates me the most is that the most important part of tattooing is always the last, if never, thing people want to know. I don't blame you for not wanting to give up your good job for tattooing. Honestly I do. I have 3 girls myself and if I had a secure means of income it would be very diffucult for me to leave that. Well I do have a secure means of income lol its just not a union job. Although a union in the tattoo industry would not be that bad of an idea hahaha. I think everyone who is truly intrested into getting in the tattoo field should be given the opportunity. 90% will more than likely find out that its just not for them. But there will be that 10% who put there heart and soul into it and will create great works of art. There are artist out there who think they are gods gift to tattooing which is very very sad but there is also artist out there who have been frustrated so much by so many people who think what there doing is easy enough for them to teach themselves. Although I do belive you can teach yourself eventually I don't belive that someone who is truly intrested in seeking a apprenticeship is impossible to find. You hear alot of people who say they tried and tried and tried and always got the cold shoulder but do we know how truly dedicated that person was to getting it?? I think not. It takes alot of time and dedication to just get an apprenticeship let alone going through it. I hope everyone who is intrested in this field finds a great apprenticeship and yes there are terrible ones. Learning how to tattoo should be just that, learning. Not to be turned into a little bitch boy all day, everyday because thats how people think it shows dedication. Dedication is when your putting 6-8 hours into the shop, making no money what so ever then going to your other job for 8-10 hours to make a living until you can be a full time artist. Not being a bitch. There is a bad side to everything unfourtenetly and there is really nothing anyone can do about it.


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Posted by termite from IP: 76.167.195.3 on 10/04/09
CA

when you teach somone your chances of getting better increase cause there is more chance someone will pop up with a new style, and better tricks. this will also put you on your game and make you want to do alot better then you did last time. so cal professional tattoo artists are afraid of others learning, most suck so bad they refuse to get any better, in fact they dont belive in the word better, thats why they wont teach it, it will make somone else better then they already are at the art. they would prefer you go mess up people and infect people then give you tips, tricks, and proper procedure. face it, your lying to yourself.

wannabie artists fill the majority of shops and exist soley for the money, they are parrot artists who copy and paste, cant free hand, and lies to thier apprentice about teaching them some day. everyone hides its safty procedures cleaning and tattooing wise, is that professional?. safty should always be free knowledge, how stupid are you to not elaborate on this art, i dont care if you are the number one tattoo artist in the world, your greed still got you scared of the mass's, cause deep down you know your not that good. since you hid it from so many your gonna die without the insparation of artists that would have been if they were taught, so your gonna die not your best, just a wannabie artist.

apprenticeship does not teach you, no one alive today will teach you, but they will still steal your time and money fooling you that they will. no dvd or book, or well recognized artist alive is gonna teach you, you are alone to learn on your own, ive been through a few apprenticships 12 to 15 hours a day, i wouldnt eat, only something small before i slept and when i woke up, a slave everyday of the week for months and no one made a single effort to teach it, they say go tattoo at home thats how you learn, that is their bottom line. they will reather lose you and do the cleaning maintance thier self before they teach you, thats how selfish and un professional, wannabie artists are. kids with skin coloring books, keep sucking. you will all die like the tattoos you left on earth, the most boring art you left to destract people with a glance of a stupid tattoo. new artists are born, new telant is on its way and there is no choice, the handfull of good tattoo artists today are mostly good at one style and none of them can free hand a portrait, well not one that is alive.

todays tattoo artists are hiding from their self, the true telant they left burried as a kid, stuck on fukin coloring books


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Posted by bad boy ink from IP: 90.219.223.8 on 10/15/09
united kingdom

As much as i can appreciate all the pros in the biz there is no law to say you cannot teach yourself to tattoo. Im a self taught tattooist and artist and doing very well although i have to say i didnt attempt to tattoo anybody until i was sure i knew what i was doing by spending alot of time getting advice from some very NICE and HELPFUL tattoo artists, who have become good friends of mine and of course many many hours of practising. For outlining you want gap of your contact screw to be that of a nickel and for shading that of a dime, the gap set you should then set your tube so that the needle tip only just protrudes out of the tip of the tube. Then adjust your voltage so that the machine sounds like its running smooth, by touching the little rubber grommet that holds the needle eye to test for strentgh ( needle should still move up and down with your finger touching it lightly ) and the little grommet will produce a smooth figure of 8 motion when running , practice with these setting on a grapefruit or similar and adjust accordingly, try this and hope this helps.


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Posted by sc918 from IP: 67.164.88.191 on 12/14/09
livermore, ca

Damn You all made me tired.........I have never seen so much negativity...seriously childish crap. I did some tattoos back in the hayday..yup when it was seriously dangerous and I can appreciate all that has changed but my god they've made it so complicated now.....ughers. I am a damn good artist been painting drawing my whole life and it's been a long one hehe .....but apprenticeship yea right .....waste of time trying to get one ..I'm sure it would be worthwhile but they're are just not that many nice people anymore for real...and for the one who posted artist are assholes..yup..been around them my whole life and doesn't matter what kind most are just assholes and usually fucken narcisistic --- pretty sad....anyways....I don't like to be on front street.....I'm pretty low key and I have a friend that I pick his noggen at times but he's not always available I need someone I can ask a few questons to that is not all ooooooffended ..or talk a bunch of unnecessary bullshit......


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Posted by teee from IP: 74.62.68.120 on 12/18/09
terre haute in USA

u gota start sum where good for cover up biz too


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Posted by hooligan from IP: 70.219.202.200 on 12/29/09
kansas city, missouri, united states

i have been an underground "scratcher" for about 4 months now. i researched for an apprentiship since the age of 18 locally, but to no avail. i am 31 now and am finally on the way to becoming more in tune with the art i have loved so long. luckly i have a friend who owned a shop for a few years, who is helping me along the way. i understand what the guys who are bashing this guy are saying. i also understand the guys trying to help him out. what say you of the guy tattoin with a stick and a few needles, yes someone taught him and yes contamination was more frequent. the knowledge came from somewhere and was passed through time, so if jerk off rock star tattoo artist wont help ya get all cave man and do EVERYTHING you can to do it. if you are doing it for the right reasons you will probably find the info and experience you need. if you are doing it for the wrong reason, most likely $, your probably gonna just end up screwing your buddies bodies up and or worse giving them some sort of disease.
i love art with 100% of my mind and yes i could not get the instruction from a shop but no matter what i will tattoo and i will share my art with the world. thank god for my situation because i will not spread the plague.
to any of you that want to help another artist out gimme a holler
because i want to be the best that i can be and i know another artist can allways show you light even on the brightest days.
o.k. done ramblin....leave the kit kid alone an help him out.
dont be a rockstar tatoo artist ,for gods sake you do what you love for a living and were fortunate enough to have someone show you, guess ya got a lucky 7 somewhere on that body suit huh
this guy and many like him dont


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Posted by rolln_coal@yahoo.com from IP: 74.221.34.90 on 01/02/10
sloan IA USA

I am looking to buy a kit to play around with in my free time(on practice skins only). and was wondering what needles are most most used for lining and which ones are most used for shading. I love tattoos and go to a shop to get all my work done, I just would like to learn a little about the things I like. I dont ever plan to do any work on any people, so please dont start in with all the APPRENTICESHIP stuff. I just want to try something other than pencil and paper for my art. I'm trying to keep it cheap, so I just want to buy the needles that will be getting used most often.


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Posted by ootisss from IP: 75.162.223.223 on 01/20/10
slc,ut usa

i am letting my friend learn to tattoo on me and haven't been dissapointed at all.just make sure you tell your ginnies that you are fresh and don't charge em'. if you do okay than learn however you want. if you really screw it up, get some learnins. i dont do tats, but one mistake that was made on me was to much speed and a bit too deep, which caused thick scabbing, and scar tissue. it was barely barely over on both settings, but still we had to go over the whole thing again, and it's a pretty big peice, so instead of moving on with the sleeve, we wasted time on one tat twice. and if the feedback above was honest, it's alright if it hurt a bit. if they were just trying to sound smart, send their email address to every sales company in the country. have fun


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Posted by NeedlesTingle from IP: 71.189.206.206 on 01/25/10
OC

I started with a Dennis Dwyer “Precision Machine” when I was 18 I am 37 now, it was hard because most Tattoo shops are full of A$$hole pricks like the ones on this board. They are like those nerd kids in school with the rich parents that don't share any of there toys. I got about 30 to 40 hr’s on myself by real artist that weren’t pricks like Jake (np) ,Opie (lb), and few others, I did work with a Alcoholic tattooist at sick and twisted (that was Dean Deakyne's shop) for a while, any who, I never apprenticed. Thank god Manufacturing doesn't work like the tattoo shops do about apprenticing, this country would broke. My day job is Plant Manager for a 60+ employee two facility Job Shop; all I do is teach for free we actually pay the people learning. to the prick Tattooist; keep the attitude up you learned well from the one that taught you, is he the same one that taught you how to completely ignore a paying customer, or walk around the shop like your a cool guy and everyone is a waste of your time.
My advise for the new guy, make sure if you don't have a autoclave that you boil twice 15 minute each sec, and nothing crosses between people, if your not a clean freak then you shouldn't even get in the biz. Clean clean clean. Alcohol doesn’t clean bleach and water does but is only good for 48 hr I always make new bleach and water, plus you can buy a pressure cooker for your tube (never reuse needles) for about $15 at Target I believe, and a ultra sonic is about $150. back to your machine, I learned the hard way about a good machine vs a good machine and power supply, if you want to stay up all night fight the tattoo and killing some one skin scaring the crap out of them then keep your cheap machine, or sit down with a nice clean set up and some chill music in the back, slap it out in 1-1/2 hrs and your buddy is all stoked then spend some money on good equipment. Good luck


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Posted by narla101 from IP: 58.165.67.60 on 01/29/10

iv been doing art at a higher level then all of my friends and peers since i was a little girl. There is no one who can doubt my love of art in any forms. I applied for a apprenticeship in all my local tattoo clinics, under the influence on a tattoo artist to practice what i learnt also at home i bought a tattoo kit, a week after an acceptance of one i got a call saying they were cancelling my apprenticeship. Now i have a brand new tattoo kit which i have no idea on how to work, NON-REFUNDABLE and worse off a greater desire to learn how to tattoo. There are many people who put down someones efforts to learn from home, but in honesty its how iv gotta do it now. I have researched and looked and read on ways to avoid contamination, have a autoclave sterilization machine ordered and on the way, gotten a sharps box from up at the hospital, and many sterilized alcohol pads to clean the skin... Now if any one actually wants to be of help, all i need is instructions on how to work my machine, if not just to explain how to put it together. thankyou


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Posted by rdoc from IP: 216.193.158.111 on 01/29/10
Atown

Don't listen to these guys that bash you. At one point they were like you, As was I. Most of these people are afriad of the come-up artists, Everythings getting so new school how can old timers keep up with the young ones. Use practice skin or a pig foot to start out, If you use a pig foot that is rotten it is kinda gross, But that will get you ready for any kind of person who steps to you to get some ink, If you can handle that you can handle blood sweat body odor ect.. Learn all the saftey shit first before you tat someone up. machine bags and clipcord sleeves you should def use. and when your ready to tat make sure your stencil is crisp. work bottom to top so you dont smug it. stencil stuff works pretty good.


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Posted by Ryan t from IP: 78.145.49.236 on 02/22/10
England

Look people I have just brought my first kit but that doesn't make me a moron I mean who said i was going to practice on real people no one because there is such a thing call practice skin.
So instead of all you people who know how to set these machiens up having a go at the new comers and putting them off like you have me a little help them instead that's all they are asking for someone to help them not dis them because no one said they were going to practice on real people so pull your finger out your arses and show them how good a comunity the tattooing on is..:


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To Hell with all of you Idiots!

Posted by Mauitatter from IP: 208.54.4.58 on 02/28/10
Lahaina, HI USA

I have been on several different topic forums here the past few months and there's one thing that they all have in common. And that is.... Every single one of them are used for arguing purposes only! Very little progressive movement/information is ever covered.
Let me just ask you this, what do you think a forum is for? Is it a place for 'The Know it Alls' to sit around and pass back and forth info that THEY themselves know back and forth, up and down OR...... Is it intended to serve as an informative guide to individuals seeking advice, support and guidance?! If it is intended for only the experts, then what purpose does it serve?
It is completely incomprehensible to get why some choose to treat others that might be less informed or experienced as if they were stupid or not worthy to be helped. The human nature makes it easier to down others while having many excuses to do so.
So... With all that being said, why don't you anal retentive, narrow minded 'experts' pull you heads out of your rearends and provide the service to your fellow man that the forum is intended for, or just stay off of it and continue being perfect all by yourself!
Seriously, just take the time to browse back through this forum and take note the percentage of bashing, arguing and 'COCK BLOCKING' compared to the actual discussion on the preposed topic.
Wake up people! Selfishness is for children, jealousy is for cheaters and haters are just insecure children who are jealous!
Try the ole do unto others thing! What if you were stonewalled at every question you had when you bought your 'Kit'?
It is just rediculous! Try to use alittle Aloha in your life. It will make you a happier person and a much better world.
Anyone that has any questions about tattoos, tattooing or any other advice related to the topic at hand and feel like the forum is not helping, email me your questions and I will do everything I can to answer it for you or provide you the info needed to look it up. I have been inking for just over 10 years and just want everyone to be informed and safe! The more informed you are, the safer you will be!
With Warmest Aloha,
Keith
mauikeith73@gmail.com
HATERS NEED NOT REPLY!!!! I won't waste my time arguing with anyone.


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Posted by K-Mill from IP: 24.42.136.70 on 03/29/10
panama city fl.

hit me up at countryboyswag@yahoo.com

i know how it was wen i first got into tattooing so if u gotta question hit me up thru email an ill help u as much as i can.


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Posted by Nikko from IP: 60.231.183.56 on 04/04/10
Australia

YEAH... i agree with most on here! Sure there are some "scratchers" out there who buy a cheap kit off the web n make a God awful mess of things...btu HEY.. ive seen some "studio" tatts that are equally as bad! I am more that a TATTOOIST...i am an ARTIST! I have painted, airbrushed, muraled, sketched and drawn ALL my life...and consider Tattooing the pinacle of my artistic devices. BUT....the SHIT i have copped from so called Tattoo "artists" here online for not doing an apprenticeship is unbelievable....I am self taught and my tattooing has become "sought after". Sure i had to learn a few tricks but i never stuffed it up and ive been at it for 6 years now. Tattooing is an artform...not a trade..it comes from the heart...if that person isnt capable...they will stuff it up...and pay for it one way or the other....but rather than tell people to keep the fuck away from tattooing cuz you think you are in high and mighty industry or you may be scared that a traditional practice based on fear and toughness may be entered by the normal average guy who can draw...then ask what the studios owners in my area think of me NOW...They respect me and my work and invite me to join them OFTEN...never forget artists....we are all in the SAME boat!


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Posted by sparky from IP: 71.229.137.62 on 04/12/10
lakewood,colorado, usa

all you A-holes who have nothing nice nor helpful to say should all just shut up. these people are asking for help, not your opinion on what they should do or how stupid they are for not doing an apprentiship. sometimes people cant go that route. stop acting like were curing cancer, we are tattoo artists, thats all. yes it takes talent and knowledge, but why dont you a-holes try helping someone else with what you've learned.??? god damn! this really makes me mad. every tattoo message board id filled with the same sh*t. "if you neeed to ask, then you don't need to know". " go get an apprentiship". "your not a real artist, your just a scratcher" you people who say these things are the exact reason i try to help and teach anyone who asks. everyone out there, please don't judge all of us tattooo artists based on the idiots response you find all over the internet. if anyone needs help or has any questions about tattooing, just give me a call. 303-988-8600, ask for sparky.


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Posted by g.g.marcos from IP: 173.86.173.46 on 04/15/10
cali, usa

It's so refreshing to see someone who isn't all about attitude and trying to misinform people! I did an apprenticeship in Hollywood ten years ago, and got totally exploited andgot taught completely opposite information(ie."hold the mag perpendicular to the skin") I did all the grunt work in the shop, cleaning everyones tubes, making all the needles, all the clean-up, everything, which was good to learn but the misinformation thing was really wrong, it took me so long to unlearn all the wrong stuff I was told by these guys who were probably laughing their asses off as they exploited my genuine desire to learn, and do it the right way by paying my dues...it set me back so many years and only through much perseverence have I made any progress. My first tattoos were pretty bad, but I was the one holding the machine! The jerks I apprenticed under are also indirectly linked to those tattoos.
The whole "trade secrets" attitude is wrong! I could have used some reliable info all those years ago and it would have saved me from doing some ugly tats. Those who really want to learn will find a way, even if it has to be thru trial and error, but really the info should be given out freely, and without the elitist attitude, none of the old timers I've read about were like that! Its not like with 7billion people on the planet theres not enough skin to go around! I'm still learning, and its good to see someone actually being positive and encouraging. Thanx Keith, your one positive comment is worth more than all the negative comments on this whole forum!


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Posted by db@min.midco.net from IP: 74.207.181.124 on 04/19/10

I have been tattooing now for 2 years and I did the apprenticeship. I am gratefull for everything that I was shown. That doesnt mean that they should not be allowed the chance to come on line and try and find some answers. If anything, when someone tells me you shouldnt do something It drives me to prove them wrong. So dont just shrug off the next generation of possible tattoo artists that want to learn the trade. If you look back at the history of tattoing most of it was done underground in houses, garages, and basements, for a very long time. I dont think that the first person to mark their skin with any form of ink was a professional. If anything he was a scratcher as well.


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Posted by tompy121 from IP: 222.154.170.113 on 05/03/10
nz

Practice makes perfect, you learn from your mistakes !!!!!! I have recently taken up tattooing, i have many tattoos from many different artists, including jail tats done with a boob gun. my first victim was myself and i did a better job on myself than some of the "PROFFESIONALS" did. you guys talk about tattoos as if you own the idea. tattoos have been around since people have, dating back hundreds of years, particularly to the pacific regions and africa. they were not always refered to as ART like most of you blabber on about. it is an expression of ones self. HOW IS THIS PERSON SUPPOSED TO LEARN ANYTHING WHEN ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS WANK ON ABOUT HOW HE SHOULD NOT DO IT, GIVE HIM DECENT CORRECT ADVICE INSTEAD OF NEGATIVE CRITICISM, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK AND BELIEVE ME IT WILL NOT STOP HIM FROM TATTOOING.


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Posted by susan from IP: 174.59.115.173 on 05/14/10

I got horrible feed back about this subject... I have a degree in visual communications, did photo retouching for 3 years, airbrush artist.... just never had to put a tattoo kit together... I think i would be good and was just asking for help, bought it from china.. all wrapped in tin foil, no instructions.... Everyone seems like "Fib for yourself".... okay... it's just frustrating to get started and was looking for a little help, it's different then an airbrush.... years of graphic design and photo shop stumped my technical skills... lol!!! it can't be that hard...


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Posted by spatronski@yahoo.com from IP: 64.132.153.249 on 05/22/10

Here's a perspective that I haven't really seen on here... I'm about to lose my job (downsizing and such). I'm looking into different ideas as to what to do next. I'm not trying to jump full force into an apprenticeship without knowing that this is something I can see through. It would be a waste of my time as well as the person who would be willing to be a mentor. Beyond that I may have to move a few states away which would end any apprenticeship that I would have started. Looking for tips on the internet is a good non-invasive way (meaning I'm not coming around annoying people while they're trying to work) to find out if this is something that I can do. I know the permancy of tattoos and I'm not willing to ink up myself or anyone else without having a solid bit of experience on a practice skin. And I'm not going to waste the time of a respectful artist by going into their place of work and asking them questions. I wouldn't do that to anyone at their job unless it was the only way... and it doesn't seem to be the only way in this case if people would drop a little ego and give a little info. I know I will not be a pro if someone gives a tip about setting up a machine. I feel pity on anyone who thinks that they will be the best after such basic info. Remember though that each journey begins with a step. If you help the first step go in the right direction, the the trip has a much better chance of success.
Peace


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Posted by deadman from IP: 173.169.249.113 on 06/11/10
boston ma us

i cant stand you arrogant fucks that forgot where you came from. how many of you assholes are gonna tell me that you never did a tattoo until you finished an apprenticeship? try spreading good advice and maybe "scratchers" wold get better and advance the artform. assholes...


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Posted by Squiddy from IP: 65.206.123.102 on 06/17/10
NJ

I would like to Thank everyone here there is alot of info i have learned here. I am also new guy. And i would like to say. There is sooooo much to be learned. I will say i bought a cheap kit. but before I do anything on a person. It will take along time. My friend is a wounderful tattoo artist and he has agreed to take me on as an apperentice. He told me to first learn what a gun is. Learn about blood born pathogins. Then i will show you how to setup. Once i practice on practice skin and Grapefruist to see my depths. Then if i still like it we go futher. So to all the top dogs out there thank you for your info.


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Posted by themonsterisme from IP: 71.122.66.24 on 06/19/10
florida

I for one never paid for my apprenticship with money but i did pay for it with a year of doing all the grunt work at the shop and doing all the set-ups for the artists there and doing all the tube cleaning and making everyones needles...3rd,5rd,7rd,9rd,14rd,18rd, 5mag,7mag,9mag and i truely believe it was all of this "flunky" or "bitch boy" work that all of you dumbfucks seem to think that you were above to do cause these "stuck up rockstar artists" didnt want to do it themselves taught me more than you will ever in your self taught home studios...if you can even call them that...in all my years tattooing i have had 5 apprentices...only 2 of them were serious enough to stick it out...not once did i ever belittle my apprentices or talk to them like children or idiots...i treated them with the same amount of respect that i myself want...they were charged $1500-$2000 to pay for all of thier tattoo equipment and supplies they would need for their apprenticeship...i never recieved any money to apprentice them...that all payed for the gloves and equipment they would use in there 1st year or so of cleaning and learning the basics...that money also payed for prismacolor pencils and drawing pads and a light board..that money also payed for them to goto a cdc and cross contamination course provided by the local health dept or blood bank...i base all of my aprentices of these simple things ..1. a good grasp of artistic ability..such as composition...light sourcing...light dynamics...etc etc
2. a real and true drive to do whatever it takes to learn this...this doesnt just mean going to your local shop and hanging out...this has to do with going into the shop and asking the artists what you can do to make yourself a better artist "not a tattooist"..if these local people wont help you go find another shop and befriend one of the artists ...there are assholes out there but 7 out of 10 shops are down to earth peeps that probably would help you with the right attitude...3. we are not by any means rock stars or above anybody..we do a trade that just so happens to involve 2 things..art and a non invasive medical procedure that improperly done could seriously impact someones life and your own with criminal penaltys and emotional issues and life threating diseases...how would you feel if your "home tattooist buddy " gave you hep c or a serious staph infection? both are a life changing experience that can NEVER be undone....i for one am not scared or intimidated by more and more artists coming into the scene...believe me that has little to no effect on my $$...why? because i have built up a clientelle and chose to treat tattooing as it should be treated...as a buisness and my passion....tell me how any of that could possibly be learned outside of a professional shop with passionate artist showing you the ropes? you cant fucking learn that in your house people....some of you on here were jumping down the throats of people like taz for stating his opinion...well this industry has been his and many others passion for longer thasn some of you are old...alot of us have seen the good of the industry and we have seen the worst of it also...why are we so up tight you ask? because we care about this industry people...come into the shop i am at and show me drawings or home tattoo pics and ill truely give you my honest opinion on where you are at or if it is even a option for you.


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Posted by themonsterisme from IP: 71.122.66.24 on 06/19/10
florida

i noticed i forgot to add that i never mentioned that i wouldnt provide the information that someone might ask...please ask away by emailing me at themonsterisme@yahoo.com
what i am saying is that it isnt impossible to become a good artist without a apprenticship...that with a apprenticeship you can and will learn many important things that learning from a book or dvd wont teach you...if you are serious about pursuing tattooing as your trade then i highly recomment a cdc course,blood born pathogens course, a cross contamination course at your local health dept or blook bank....at least on your way from the early stages of tattooing the worst you can do is a bad tattoo instead of a bacterial infection or worse. fuck it...if you want help email me and ill try to help as much as i can...i cant promise you much seeing as learning this trade is mostly hands on and a email is far from that.
dave


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 06/20/10
Rochester,NY,USA

I am a "scratcher"! I also am an apprentice! I have more money wrapped up in DVD's and how to books from this industry. I am 29 years old and I started watching the people tattooing me. I love art and am pretty good at many medias of art. I quit a high paying job to devote my life to something I am truly passionate for. I am sick of "pros" talking all sorts of shit about "scratchers". I have more love and dedication than most of you preMadonnas (my slang for pros who think they are above others). I did not get into this industry to get groupies.

I have been tattooing people for 2 months now. I learn something new everyday. I am not your average "scratcher". Just because I tattoo from my home, doesn't make me unsafe or a bad artist. I have had many customers hug me after I was done. One of which returned the next day with tears or happiness. That was a memorial piece for her father. So watch what you comment about that. He was a great man, and she is a great person. That is why I am doing this. Because I LOVE it.

Also, like I said before about me leaving my high priced job for this. My studio (in my home), is probably cleaner and bigger than half you douchebags complaining about "scratchers".

But I will advocate to anyone trying to enter this fantastic industry, be sterile. Like most of the "pros" here, HepC and Merca are no joke. You can learn how to be sterile by taking courses, such as a Bloodborne Pathogens Course. You also can purchase the Standards Of Practice, by Guy Aitchison.

I am so tired of most of the people here saying, "get and apprenticeship". Like it is the cure all. You twats make me laugh.


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Posted by themonsterisme from IP: 71.122.66.24 on 06/20/10
florida

lol...not your average scratcher you say...thats what they all say...lets see some pics of your work that makes people cry...maybe they were crying for other reasons ;)


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 06/20/10
Rochester,NY,USA

[IMG]http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx278/citifolk/0527002123.jpg[/IMG]


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 06/20/10
Rochester,NY,USA

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx278/citifolk/0527002123.jpg


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Posted by gman from IP: 92.28.98.58 on 06/21/10
uk

llisten man dont take any shit from these so called tattoo arse holes
i want to help you but it could be a number of things. so the best thing i can do is put you on to a good web site were the people
are good and help full. its called new image its a uk web site.go
look on ther and you will get all the help you need. most of the people on thiis site are cave men stuck in the year 1962 they dont
know that tattooing has moved forward in the last 20 years. if i had
more info i could help you but go on the web site an you will get lots
of help with out the bull shit from these cave men. good luck.


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Posted by gman from IP: 92.28.98.58 on 06/21/10
uk

llisten man dont take any shit from these so called tattoo arse holes
i want to help you but it could be a number of things. so the best thing i can do is put you on to a good web site were the people
are good and help full. its called new image its a uk web site.go
look on ther and you will get all the help you need. most of the people on thiis site are cave men stuck in the year 1962 they dont
know that tattooing has moved forward in the last 20 years. if i had
more info i could help you but go on the web site an you will get lots
of help with out the bull shit from these cave men. good luck.


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 06/22/10
Rochester,NY,USA

Well, I know a few of the "pros" on here DO understand this industry has came out of the dark ages. I think that is why they are so hard on us "scratchers". They do not want us ruining what them and many other professional artists have done. I fully understand their outlook on people like myself. But they do not know what conditions or procedures I use during a tattoo.

I do not hate anyone in particular in this industry...just the ego maniacs and preMadonnas.


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Posted by jmsenior07@gmail.com from IP: 65.100.169.50 on 07/01/10
Colorado

I'm seriously really tired of hearing people try to suck information out of professional artists so that they can go home and put a JUNK ASS tattoo on one of their dumb friends!

I'm not a tattoo artists but I am aspiring to be one and I am completely obsessed with tattooing and I have a great respect for learning with apprenticeships. So instead of trying to ask STOOOOPID! questions about tattooing go get an APPRENTICESHIP and learn the way that most of all well respected artists have. Its a waist of time to tell the "pros" to stop hating while you could be looking up all sorts of tattoo history, facts, artists, or better yet even DRAWING, because more times than not they had to get an apprenticeship them selves which if your not aware is pretty hard to come by if your not dedicated. And even self taught well renounced artists have gone through an apprenticeship after realizing that they were not right by learning on their own. Read artists bios of really goof tattoo artists and see how many of them are self taught.......oh yea there's not a lot and artists like Nick Baxter, Nikko Hortado, Brandon Bond, Guy Aitchitson, Joe Capabianco, need i go on?...these are aritsts who are booked for a year at a time and I'm sure dont want to be doing cover ups of some scratches sucktastic tattoo. I will say Brandon started off as a self taught artists but he also went through and apprenticeship and oh yea he was going to art school. Seriously learn some stuff before trying to break into tattooing, and when you can spit out some facts about tattoo machines before you even have one or have even held one like me than know something about the history of American traditional tattooing than try asking some REAL questions.


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Posted by jmsenior07@gmail.com from IP: 65.100.169.50 on 07/01/10
Colorado

I'm seriously really tired of hearing people try to suck information out of professional artists so that they can go home and put a JUNK ASS tattoo on one of their dumb friends!

I'm not a tattoo artists but I am aspiring to be one and I am completely obsessed with tattooing and I have a great respect for learning with apprenticeships. So instead of trying to ask STOOOOPID! questions about tattooing go get an APPRENTICESHIP and learn the way that most of all well respected artists have. Its a waist of time to tell the "pros" to stop hating while you could be looking up all sorts of tattoo history, facts, artists, or better yet even DRAWING, because more times than not they had to get an apprenticeship them selves which if your not aware is pretty hard to come by if your not dedicated. And even self taught well renounced artists have gone through an apprenticeship after realizing that they were not right by learning on their own. Read artists bios of really goof tattoo artists and see how many of them are self taught.......oh yea there's not a lot and artists like Nick Baxter, Nikko Hortado, Brandon Bond, Guy Aitchitson, Joe Capabianco, need i go on?...these are aritsts who are booked for a year at a time and I'm sure dont want to be doing cover ups of some scratches sucktastic tattoo. I will say Brandon started off as a self taught artists but he also went through and apprenticeship and oh yea he was going to art school. Seriously learn some stuff before trying to break into tattooing, and when you can spit out some facts about tattoo machines before you even have one or have even held one like me than know something about the history of American traditional tattooing than try asking some REAL questions.


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Posted by noz from IP: 142.162.175.118 on 07/02/10

that rose is a typical scratcher piece of crap. looks like it was done by an eight year old.


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 07/03/10
Rochester,NY,USA

I hope the one post was not intended for me. Because, one: I am apprenticing, two: I know more about machines than most people, third: you said it yourself...most of the pros started on their own...so shut the hell up.

Who cares if they look back on how they started in this business. They still scratched. Is it wrong to be a "scratcher", I say no. Not if the correct precautions are taken. Try not to lump everyone who tattoo's from home as a bad person. Because I will take a video camera around and take a run through a few "professional" shops, and show YOU, that most shops are not very "professional".

@noz...I honestly do not care what you think about my work. The person I put it on loved it. Guess what pal, that is all that matters to me, is making the customer happy. Not some douche bag on these forums.


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Posted by themonsterisme from IP: 97.97.78.152 on 07/06/10
florida

#2 scratcher...i hope you can take constructive critisism....that is not a professional tattoo....you have no seperation of diffrent tones...your grey wash is weak because you dont understand what to use and why....its either light or dark....no middle tones....your line work is clean in most spots but a few shakey spots in there...all in all its passable for a greenhorn but you would really excell if you had someone there to "teach" you about shading and running a proper line...again...take this critisism however you want to...but just remember when your "self taught " head gets too big just pull a pic of your work up and then pull up a pic from bob tyrell, joe cap, brandon bond, joshua carlton and knock yourself down a good bit to reality #2 scratcher cause at this point thats all you are doing...scratching


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 07/06/10
Rochester,NY,USA

I appreciate your comment. I know it is no Paul Booth. I know my gradation is spotty. I have tried to improve my B/G work. My line work has improved greatly since the addition of new liner (Martini "Jerkoff").

I have watched Joshua Carlson's B/G video. I have used his technique and have tried to adapt that to my style. I personally think I need to some actual grey wash. I am using triple black diluted with witch hazel. It seems to be a bit "grainy".

I am still very new to this profession, so I know I will continue to get better.

But I appreciate all the input I can get. I am a sponge, so I will soak up all I can get. As for the haters, I would love to see some of their work 3 months in.


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Posted by da_didj@hotmail.com from IP: 118.208.113.74 on 07/16/10
aus

try the gap been the coil on the back post bend to back spring a little if need some machine are not made pefectly


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Posted by themonsterisme from IP: 71.101.100.142 on 07/25/10
b-town

#2 scratcher....i have found that using witch hazel doesnt seem to work as well as using distilled water for a grey wash mix....i go from straight black in a cap (a large cap) to my mid mix with 60% black and 40% distilled water (about 6-8 drops of black and the rest water) to my light wash mix of 30% black 70% water ( about 3-4 drops black and the rest water)....you must find something like a needle bar or such to mix it well in the cap or you will be using the water on the top or if you dip deep you will be using the un mixed black on the bottom....this info alone will not make you a grey wash guru....there is another thing of mag needle selection and understanding why you use diffrent mag needles and why and how they work by construction...i use 7 mags, 9 mags, 11 mags, 13 mags, 15 mags, 23 mags and each has a specific reason for use...it also matters greatly on what brand of needle you use...some needle making companys have very poor quality needles and using them will only slow your progress down because you wont be able to get a single pass on a line without having to sculpt it to get it solid which equalls over worked linework...same goes for mags and improper training on how to use them...you can hamburger the F@#K out of a clients skin for sure with a mag...seriously bro...find a shop to apprentice at...if it requires moving to another state to make it happen...do it...dont cry about local shops hatin on you and your work....all that is is a pussy ass excuse to why you are being lazy about finding a shop that will help you
.....again for anyone wanting info
themonsterisme@yahoo.com


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Posted by #2 Scratcher from IP: 24.24.66.181 on 07/25/10
Rochester,NY,USA

I have been an apprentice for a few months man. I just tattoo out of my house for money.

The needles I use are the same as other artists in my shop. So the quality is fine. However, I just bought some "Envy" needles by Spearman. I will see how they work.

I also bought the Alla Prima GreyWash set. It is amazing. My B&G is 100x better already.

I am going to start using curved mags. I gave them a sample try. I really like how the blending is around the edges. It is nice and smooth.


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Posted by Scotty26 from IP: 92.234.184.100 on 08/04/10
England.

i think your all being WAYYYY to harsh the guy never said he was going to tattoo anybody, he only said he got a machine.. is it not ok to have a machine to practice on at home on tattoo skin? or grapefruits? never the less i agree you should not be tattoing people without correct training! but i say to the original post, search google, you can find the basic guidlines on machine set ups, go crazy with your practicing on fake skin etc and practice practice practice! and get an aprentaship also though dont be silly. :P


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Posted by jazzy1 from IP: 71.231.76.140 on 08/11/10
Seattle, Wa

I see these threads all over the web and it’s always the same thing. Some guy trying to start out asks an honest question and people rag on him.
First I’ll come right out and say it; I bought a couple of machines online. I have no intention at this point of using them on people though. I left a 6 figure career and chose to purse an art form I’m passionate about. I spend 3-4 days a week traveling to every shop in a 60 mile radius from my house showing my portfolio, getting ink, getting to know artist and begging (there really is no nicer word for it) an apprenticeship. The messed up thing is that thanks to reality TV the artist I talk to have cats coming in their shops 40 times a week and I’m getting lost in the cacophony. So I bought a machine (parting on the advice from shop artist I’ve talked to) in hopes of learning the machine a little and setting myself apart from the pack. Frankly though I’ll take advice from anyone offering it whether they are on the internet or in a shop. Many places I go won’t even look at my work. Some places have actually stopped talking to me the second the portfolio came out. If a guy trying to claw his way into this business can’t get advice from a forum like this then what good is it.
And please before anyone starts hammering on me; I know I’m a green moron who doesn’t know crap about the medium and would seriously jack someone up for good working on them right now. All I have to say is thank god for grapefruits.


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Posted by dee from IP: 115.70.35.245 on 09/12/10
N.S.W

I cant stand these tattoo haters who think they know everything about tattooing and keep their knowledge to them self. What u guys don't know is that u are constantly learning just like the newbies. Guys get a life and help these people cos some day they just might b tattooing u!


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Posted by Viper from IP: 72.171.0.144 on 09/20/10
greencastle pa usa

I'll just be short and sweet with reply...your work and being sanitary speaks for itself...it does not matter if you learned to tattoo in prison on your friends/family or at the best shop in the world!!! the problem with these so called vets(not all of them) is they want to bash anyone that may threaten their income/job/shop i don't want hate mail either...some of you need to learn some manners and quit being so full of yourself...thats just bad KARMA.
take care everyone


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Posted by 951 grumps from IP: 96.251.127.234 on 02/17/11
Hemet Ca United States

to all these guys telling homeboy to put his guns down an get an apprenticeship check this out man as an artist you should be writing down how to tune his gun correctly instead of putting him down for trying to learn a gift. man i learned in prison or on the streets taught myself or was taught by another convict so theres many ways to learn. i have no apprenticeship and i take advice from whoever i can, im not the best artist but im still learning. not all of us have the time or means to apprentice under somebody but still love and enjoy the art of tattooing. give the guy a break


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Posted by Tom from IP: 86.147.8.183 on 03/24/11
United Kingdom

I read through the first 10 pages, saw nothing but elitist flaming, and don't think anyone actually answered the OPs question (probably figured it out themself 6 years ago...) but my thought, would be that there's an issue with the machine's coils. I had a machine run fine one minute prior to setting up, but as soon as I sat down to do the tattoo, it wouldn't run. I switched machines and did the job, so no problem, but I did want to find out what was wrong with the machine, so I stripped it down, and swapped the coils. The machine I took the coils from (Machine B) worked fine, and as soon as the coils were in Machine A, it ran fine again, and as soon as the coils from Machine A were in Machine B, Machine B stopped working... By the way, I've never had an apprenticeship, just spent the past 10 years hanging out in tattoo studios, talking with the artists, and picking up the basics as I went along. My work is not awesome, I'm no Chris Garver or Corey Miller, but practice makes perfect. Corey is a self-taught artist, and I dare anyone to call him a scratcher... It IS totally possible to work from home and to be sterile, all it takes is a) an understanding of sterile procedures, and b) the willingness and Human Decency to follow said procedures... Clean and cover your surfaces... Use an autoclave or, disposable sterile needles and tubes EVERY TIME... Anytime you touch ANYTHING with your gloved hands, PUT ON NEW ONES. It's not rocket science to be clean... For the record, I DO find it scary that equipment is available to any yahoo with access to the net, or over the counter in a studio, but, at the end of the day, it is up to the owner of the equipment to be responsible and not use it on anyone other than themselves until they are skilled enough, and equally, if the client is not happy with the artist's portfolio, then as with a studio, walk away. I've seen bad tattoos done by licenced artists, I've seen good tattoos done by 'scratchers'. Just because someone doesn't have a studio or an apprenticeship, it doesn't make them a scratcher, it's the lack of of hygenic practice and artist skill which makes them a scratcher.


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Posted by ECHOBOOMER from IP: 75.226.29.99 on 04/11/11
LAS CRUCES NM

Your all stupid. i also dont know how to set up my tattoo kit. it came with no instructions. tellin me i shouldnt have boughtin a tattoo gun... your an idiot. it makes you feel like a pro tattoo artist putin down biginers i guess. just makes you look dumb if you ask me.


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Posted by asian boa from IP: 68.0.36.22 on 07/01/11
virgina beach va

i learned everything i know on my own, everyone i talked too was a dick so f it. can anyone tell me how to upload pics on here


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Posted by bobcat from IP: 24.178.115.33 on 07/02/11
usa

look at main page message board to post an image


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Posted by Bloodline from IP: 76.23.14.219 on 07/21/11

I am a self taught tattoo artist. I have been drawing since childhood and studied art and drawing throughout high-school and college. I never planned to tattoo, never crossed my mind, until I designed a tattoo for someone. I had 2 of 3 tattooers tell me that I should get into the business. So, I bought the dreaded "kit."

I have obsessed and studied everything I can find including magazines, conventions, getting tattooed and have even endured the pain of watching Miami Ink, La Ink etc, just to pick up a few tips. After 4 years of trial and a small amount of error, I have a nice clientele that is quickly expanding. I went from tattooing friends and family to opening my first shop. Things are going well.

It has been and will continue to be a constant learning experience. I have never really fucked anyone up, but I have had to restore and polish a few, due to the cheap ass inks that came with the kit. I wish I could have apprenticed, seriously. It would have saved me a ton of extra work. I just couldn't feed my family on apprentice wages. So, I fight my own fight.

My advise to those who want to learn how to sling, start drawing first, trace shit, and create original designs. That's what people want these days. "Don't tattoo anything you can't draw - Nikko Hurtado."


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Posted by j0angel from IP: 68.103.139.173 on 09/04/11
Kansas, US

Came looking for help from respectable tattooist, and all I found was a bunch of critics. If someone is gonna tattoo they're gonna tattoo no matter what. The least you can do is help so they make the least mistakes as possible.


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Posted by Bambi from IP: 38.115.22.20 on 11/29/11
Burlington NJ, USA

ur rubber bands are too tight try taking it off and I bet it moves.. if not then check your power supply


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Posted by dochell from IP: 98.144.68.18 on 02/02/12
ktown wis usa

well after reading
a lot of negative stuff from a lot of jerks. i would like to say first of all did you stop to think first off has this person been doing scratches for some time or a complete noob . second of all apprenticeship in a bad shop can be worse the asking questions on the internet. I've personally been in popular shops in my area that i wouldn't let touch me with a 10 mile pole.
and if this person is a artist and has tallent and is willing to learn the right way then all you so called tattoo snob artist that are afraid of new ppl who want learn how to do a great piece of artwork need to get bent. but to the ppl who want to learn i say go for it. but do it the right way take a cna class. practice a lot on fruit and fake or pig skins. oh and about that machine of yours take it apart carefully and make sure the connections are good like no cold solders and all the contact points that aren't saposed insulated are really clean and making good contact . you may need a meter to check the circuit . rock and don't make me regret my statment. do clean and simple stuff till you learn how to do the more complex stuff and for god sake please don't let ppl talk you into doing stuff your not ready for. Asta Doc


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Posted by Bloodline from IP: 67.2.30.111 on 02/16/12
USA

Man, I've read most of this forum, and I realize that is a direct reflection of what the industry has become. There's plenty of ego flooding our tattoo community. There's legendary scratchers, and phenomanal mentors. And there will always be tattooers who just don't get it. Ultimately, I think it is up to the person getting tattooed. Some people just don't care. They simply enjoy the needle, or just love tattoos; good or bad. Now I finally have a solid understanding of machines, aseptic techniques, bacteriology, sterilization, color blending, various styles including ancient tattoo, traditional . . . new school . . etc., My work is always improving, my passion is growing, and I'm loving the limitless boundaries that art and tattooing offer. It is a challenge and a pleasure to produce this living art, and am proud to say, "No regrets."

I want to give a shout out to all those outspoken tattoo geniuses out there who are better than us scratchers. Thanks for making me fight harder, become stronger, and get to the next level. Still the top is a long and distant climb. Hope to see you all there. Just don't be suprised when I punch you in your mouth.


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Posted by bobcat from IP: 24.181.43.166 on 02/16/12
ala

scratching is good when u good bash that


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Posted by "scratcher" from IP: 174.125.55.125 on 02/23/12
West plains mo

I'm tired of all of you a**holes discrediting anyone who doesn't have a license to tat. First of all the industry has only recently been hyped up in to what it is. As a result of people starting to realize it is art. Possibly at it's best. And up until this point in time how did all of you get a start? Did you go to a shop and be somebody's bitch? Or wait until you got tour license to tat on somebody? I doubt it. I have seen people with a license and been doing it for YEARS absolutely demolish peoples skin. A friend of mine got her first tat "professionally" done and it was fine. Went to the same artist and just because the artist was in a bad mood she drilled on her. And it took months to heal. She took the exact same care of both. It was as a result of the "pro". Another shop in town got shut down twice because he spread hepatitis to a crapload of his paying customers. Most people can't afford an apprenticeship. Or endure all of you arrogant a**holes thinking you are better than everyone. Let alone the insane prices that are paid. For things that isn't even your art. A friend of mine was an apprentice and she has no idea what volts to run or how to set it up. Gaps, nothing. So it is in fact individual learning. So shut up and chill out.


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