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Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by kawasaki636zbt@yahoo.com from IP: 207.192.241.131 on 10/20/06
St. Joseph Missouri

Hi, I have been looking for either an apprenticeship or a job for a little over a year now. I am pretty good, and many shops around here have told me I have alot of potential, but there is no oppenings. I know this is what I want to do for the rest of my life, but i just seem to keep getting screwed over every where I go. If you guys know of anywhere to try around this area, or even advice on getting myself known please let me know. Alot of people complement me on my line work, and I am not bad with shading, but there is still alot to learn, I learn something new every tattoo, so again thanx for reading this and please if you can give me some advice.



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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 10/22/06
KS

I think what I understood was you already tattoo, and are trying to get a job in a shop as an apprentice? IF that's the case , take drawings , take a portfolio of all your work , MINUS your actual tattoos. Most professionals I've talked with feel that's sort of a slap in the face to them and the industry and any pro who's put in the time and earned the right to say "I'm a professional tattoo artist" will most likely take serious offense to you tattooing. My advice ( and i was in the same situation for the most part, although I still tattoo close friends) is take a seperate portfolio of your tattoos. And during the interview with the shop's owner or the person intended to train you , if it feels right go ahead and ask them if they'd like to see works you've already done. None of these people are fools and theyr'e going to think that you've attempted one or two tattoos on your own already if not a shitload of fuck ups. So JUST IN CASE , take a few photos of work you'ev done that you believe to be your best. Just remember that at your best you're still just an amateur with potential, you know nothing compared to what these people do when it comes to the industry and how to tattoo professionally. Humbling yourself may take you a long ways. just my advice , it's working for me though.


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 10/22/06
KS

Oh by the way you're in a pretty good state as far as the laws are concerned , if I remember correctly. It may be more complicated for you to get an apprenticeship than it will be for you to actually attain a license. Can't say I'm up to par on the laws in missouri though. What part of MO are you in? the northwest area holds some really talented artists, basically in and around the kc area. And if you look around here awhile you could find a guy named Taz he's at painted angel in ST JO. He'd be more than willing to stear ya in the right direction i'm sure. keep striving you'll get there.


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by kawasaki636zbt@yahoo.com from IP: 207.192.241.131 on 10/26/06
St. Joseph

I actually went into painted angle about a year ago, before I ever picked up a tattoo machine, and showed them some of my art. now a year later i am much better the I was. I talked to taz, and he said he would train me, but for a small fortune, something around 5000 dollars, but thanx for the advice.


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by taz@paintedangel.com from IP: 207.192.207.158 on 10/27/06

I don't know who you talked to but it damn sure was not me!!!!!!


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 10/29/06
KS

Well I could give two shits about that little dispute you two may have just begun. I"m just saying you are in a great state as far as starting out int he business , and 5 grand is chump change to be educated in a profession you choose to have for the rest of your life, look at college tuition, student loans. Small fortune my ass. The worst part about an aspiring tattoo artists life is acquiring the apprenticeship and finding the drive to keep pushing yourself into your art and the bettering of your own skills. Gabe , Taz, Crave , Joe , all these fellas are gonna be the first ones to say ( sorry if it seems i'm putting words in mouths here fellas) that you get so much out of this art by what you put into it. So much man. Most men I know would love a million dollar a day job or a 6 figure income. Ya know and most of these people have spent well over 5 grand to do something that barely feeds the kids and pays the bills. Not too mention obligated to a career they most likely have no passion for. 5 grand , 15 or 20 even, 2-5 years of footwork and dedication , to end up in a comfortable position in a pleasent studio doing what you love to do every day? Man that ain't work, that's what most people dream about. Not to say that anyone can just run a shop , or once you're licensed money's just gonna fall from the sky, but all the hardships that come with your chosen career will be alot easier to bare if you're doing something you love. Knda like how most teachers don't make dick but they love their jobs so much they'd take a pay cut just to keep doing it? know what I mean. Keep pushing on man best of luck to you.


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by gabe from IP: 141.154.190.200 on 10/30/06
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You know, the hard part isnt finding an apprenticeship, its finding a good one with fantastic artists. The more naturally that happens the better for the public. If someone is real patient and focuses on creating killer artwork and does their homework and researches tattoo artists and gets killer sleeves and backs done and follows the advice of the talented folks who are tattooing said artist, then it will happen. It isnt free, you need to work your fucking ass off, be flexible and travel, and truely be talented, but it will happen if your art is good enough. You can do tattoo before your ready easily, but theres something about the artists who are brought into the industry because of the quality of work without jumping the gun, its the patience I think, that gives them an advantage. Of course, its hard to find someone who can put up with the hustle who will be patient enough not to jump the gun. In the end its all about karma, and how much you will have to make up for. those with patience have less bad karma to apy off (maybe build up good!). What was the question? $5,000 is great if you will truly learn to tattoo well out of it. It could cost $10,000 in good tattoos to get that opportunity. Could hustle and get lucky and get it for sweat. The value to learn everything necessary about the art of tattooing perfectly is probably much like any other education (between the art needed and technical experience)... $30-$60,000. It gets paid somehow... nature might not get it cash, but its gonna get it. :-)


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 10/31/06
KS

I can say I agree with most of that post for sure. I look at the industry and my dreams and my passion for the art as just one big life long journey maybe is the right word. Money comes and goes, and all that , but when i'm old and can barely tie my shoes none the less operate a machine, I want to know that I didn't waste my life away punching a time card and making Joe Blow rich. I don't even mind if i'm rich. Maybe tattoo artists aren't the only lucky people , but it seems that every life long tatoo artist died for the most part fairly happy , a ton of friends, and usually nothing but good things to be said about them. Maybe that's whta happens when you find what you love and make a career out of it I"m not sure i'm not old yet lol. I hear what you're saying about the amount of what you learn being the most important part in the begining and not jumping hte gun as you put it. There's an artist in my city that did just that ( no names ). He stayed in his apprenticeship long enough to attain a license , get a small business loan and open his own studio. Sure this guy can do your base level flash crap , but that's the majority of this man's work, not to undermine those of you who make their living mainly on this type of art. But It seems this person is uncapable of truly pulling off a spectacular tattoo, and maybe if he'd have stuck in with his trainer a bit longer as was advised to him he'd have learned a bit more. Enough to make him well known and respectable not just "known". My only source of comparison for this guy is well , you could get the same work in jail. And it'd only cost ya a pack of smokes or however they do that. When I get to a spot in my life hopefully running my own studio I don't want that reputation. I don't wanna be a superstar either. Just known for doing quality work every time and super happy customers. If it means like you said , 60 grand? that's ok , so for the dude wanting that apprenticeship, if ya love it enough you'll do it and you'll do it right. You might fuck up in the begining like me and a million other people who tried the hard way, hell you may even pull it off and be famous learning the hard way it's been done, but you'll get wherever it is you're going if you just keep going. sorry I ramble ,


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by gabe from IP: 141.154.190.200 on 11/02/06
OffTheMapTattoo.com / TattooNOW

that number comes from *all* of the learning necessary to be one of the best. You basically need an art degree or equivalent experience. Some people pay, some people wash dishes and draw every waking moment and get critiques from peers. Then there's technical skills, travel, etc, etc. Might be a high value, but in the end there are a lot of dues to pay....


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 11/02/06
KS

Gotta spend it to make it.


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RE:Apprenticeship in Missouri

Posted by Princess Jer from IP: 69.254.254.35 on 12/11/06
KS

I liked this thread


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